Bruno Santos
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| 7:20:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
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Ryan Holler
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| 8:05:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Vents -- I have replied to one email from you, but have not recieved one in the last couple days. Perhaps you should resend the most recent email. Are there attachments? My inbox is pretty full right now, so please keep it under 200kb. Thanks. |
chris carraway
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| 8:09:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
i have a question: when you send off an entry how do you create attachments like JOE IM? I have differnt angles and colorways to my jordan entry (which has not been posted yet) but i would like to know how that works. do i send them all in at the same time, or do i create my own link? if it is too late for my jordan entry i would like to know for my Wade entry. |
Pietro Pellicelli
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| 8:27:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Justin Taylor:
About teckpacks, how long does it take to you (since you are still not very experienced at it) to make the first drawing that will be sent to asia?...consider an easy design, not too complex...
I know drawings are made in Illustrator, but do you send them .ai file format or some .dwg / .dxf ???
Thanks and ciaoooo |
Xavier Rush
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| 8:30:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JUSTIN: Go to Niketalk and go to the "Other Brands" Forum. They have a post on you, it might be flattering on who they're comparing you to. |
Lei Wang
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| 9:40:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Wow, it seems the Chinese magazine "Dunk" I bought that printed all the KGAS designs from this website without permission was not the only one doing that. The French did that too. |
Ryan Holler
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| 10:03:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Joseph -- Arpith made some insightful comments regarding your work. I'd like to ad to them with an illustration. One of the problems (among others) is proportion. I've placed your design over a standard basketball shoe template. You must slim up your profile.
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Ventsislav Nikolov
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| 10:41:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ryan : I didn't recieve nothing since your your first mail , I'll resend my reply back then .Ole !
JT - Man , you really have to see that topic on NT ! |
Ventsislav Nikolov
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| 10:54:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ryan ,just mailed you. It seems your server blocks letter from bulgarian servers or something because it refuses my abv.bg account letter . Mailed you from my Yahoo account .Write me here if you didn't recieve it because I suspect there is some server problems ... Ole ! |
chris carraway
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| 11:04:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
well i hope KG will post my design i know it was a late entry but i did not start till on or a little after the deadline. i thought my design was HOT. but if my design is not posted by this weekend or any others i will just post it myself on the chat. i would love to hear what everyone has to say. well gotta run i have an 11:30 class at the A.I.
(first day!!) |
Ryan Holler
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| 11:18:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Vents, it's probably only being blocked because my inbox it too full. I'll have to empty it out tonight. Sorry. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 11:33:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Thanks Ryan..I remember it...yesterday, Pietro told me that...this design (2004) needs some work! Now I work on this...next time...I do my best |
Joseph Dumary
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| 11:36:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
My Air Jordan XXII, inspired by The Air Jordan XVII
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Lei Wang
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| 11:38:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ryan, I don't think Joseph's drawing is fully profile view. It looks like it has 15-20 degrees angle from the sideview. Some of my co-worker like to draw the shoe with a little bit angle so that they can show part of the tongue or some other details that won't be seen on a fully profile view. Having said that, I still think the toe area is little too high on Joseph's drawing but not significant. |
Brian Moughty
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| 12:12:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Joseph-When looking for inspiration for a shoe, like the XX2...don't just look at one past Jordan...Dig deeper then that....
Having a shoe "inspired" by another shoe is boring..meaning your just looking at and older Jordan and changing a couple things...
If it was something like a "nu-retro" or a ".5" then thats a little different, because thats more improving things to fit into today's standards...
This type of inspiration just doesn't belong in the "Air Jordan" line... |
Joseph Dumary
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| 12:42:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Yhanks!! |
Joseph Dumary
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| 12:42:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
I'm on! |
justin taylor
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| 1:04:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Just got back from NikeTalk's Other Brands forum. That's weird. I feel all tingly inside now. It is a great feeling to know that people are appreciative of the passion that you have for what you are doing, but the comparisons, come on now. I've only been going at this for a little over five months, I can't even imagine what some of the great designers' portfolios looked like, no doubt better than mine.
Thanks for the kind words in there Ryan.
I just hope I can live up to the "gulp" hype. One thing is for sure, it motivates me.
It makes me wanna give a big THANK YOU to everyone who supported me, and will continue to do so in the future.
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johnny szabo
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| 1:18:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ryan, when you told Joe that the proportions is only one of the problems, what else where you thinking about, Id like to know so Id avoid those problems and make better sketches everyday. Because yeah proportions is oone of the biggest challenges. But there are probably lots more, which Id like to know. |
Rich Benares
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| 1:45:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JT: With shoes at the $40 range, ill be supporting you big time! lol
R1ch |
Brian Moughty
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| 1:56:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Hey everyone..
Just thought Id bring a little something different to this board..a new kind of entertainment haha..
Me and my friends just made these "mxtapes" for any of you wanting to watch...
I hope this doesn't ruin any type of reputation I may have on here..haha..
(Im in the green shirt)enjoy!...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEGhanityRY Vol1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppNe-GepHlI |
justin taylor
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| 2:11:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
I've actually managed to reach up to the $70 range, that is until final line review when the prices may change. |
Rich Benares
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| 2:37:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JT: Im assuming they are not out yet. Any word on when they hit the streets? Im adding a new twist to my kicks collection. Im gonna have a Kicksguide Alumni collection. Get some AND1s by JT, some Adidas from MM, and maybe a logo from Tony lol Ryan H you have anything in the works? |
David Whetstone
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| 2:54:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Justin:
Do you have an online portfolio? I tried core77, but I did not have any luck finding you on there.
That goes to anyone else. I would love to see portfolios...not necessarily all sneakers, just anything you have worked on.
Thanks in advance.
David |
Nestor Hernandez
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| 3:08:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Rich- Dont forget any of Alpha's NIKE's for your KG collection |
Ian Gale
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| 3:23:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
www.styleportfolios.com/elagnai |
justin taylor
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| 3:24:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
DAVID: I would say the best place to view my work would be on SoleCollector.com under "the life" then Focus Artist. There should be a gallery there with a link to it at the end of the article, or in the left margin. At least, I think it is still there.
RICH: That's a cool idea. None of my shoes are out yet. They won't be hitting the streets, and hopefully the basketball courts, until next year. I am really excited about my first big shoe that will come out next summer. We are trying one of my new ideas. It will be interesting to see if it makes it to the production model. |
chris carraway
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| 3:44:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
i dont know whats happening with my Jordan design but i am working on developing every angle for my Wade shoes plus a few extras (just to let everyone know) i am working harder because i "HAVE TO" make the finalist every month. |
Brian Moughty
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| 3:56:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Chris-What do you mean your not sure whats happening with your Jordan design..You mean that you feel it should have been put up as a finalist already???And what do you mean you need to make a finalist every month...Have you yet??...I think you need to relax and through devotion and work, it will hopefully come...
Just make sure you don't get to cocky now... |
chris carraway
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| 4:06:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
no this is my first entry, and it was a little late so that may be the reason i am not sure i am just so anxious to see my design on here it is killing me. im just saying if i have to show more: like my thought process or additional angles i will do it. to be honest this is my first time and i just want to get rated. the comments last longer when your design is posted as a finalist than in chat. |
Rich Benares
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| 4:33:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Nes: Trust me I have Alpha on my list too. I have been trying to get a hold of the black and white Air Flight bangers, but I have yet to find them since they were released last year. As far as DE goes, I have the XXIs of course and the Jordan LX2's |
ade otabor
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| 5:32:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
so how does it work when you get a project jt(other pros feel free to ante up as well)? are you given your own "model(s)" to do, work in teams on a particular model, are all designers given a brief and each propose their solutions, technical advancements?
question for de, mike d2lo, or jaymay: will we be seeing ips on any other jordan models besides the # flagship series? |
Ryan Holler
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| 5:49:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Johny, the "other" problems are not as significant, and less tangible. Arpith mentioned that Joseph didn't appear to have worked as hard on developing a good design as he did on the polished rendering quality. I agree with that. Developing a design a over the course of days/weeks will make it better. Joseph has rendering skills that suggests a good grasp of 3 dimensionality. That requires imagination, which is a key to creativity. One of the other keys to creativity (a big one) is WORK, which takes time. The design itself does not show a whole lot of imagination. But Joseph has all the tools he needs to go where he wants to go. |
Ryan Holler
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| 5:56:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Here's a quick peek at many of Justin's designs. JT, I hope you don't mind...
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Rich Benares
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| 6:01:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
In regards to JTs work, we've seen those before, lets see some of the new And1 joints!! haha I know only time will tell |
dallas stokes
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| 6:25:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
NO DISRESPECT JT BUT I THINK YOU GOT A GREAT CHANCE OF DWAYNE WADE'N THE GAME. THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER TINKER NOR JORDAN. HOWEVER THE NEXT COULD VERY WELL BE YOU JT. |
justin taylor
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| 6:28:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Thanks Ryan, I don't mind at all, and I think I recognize that layout.
The way the projects go for me, is that we are all given the line plan with the slots that we want shoes for, say a $100 shoe with this or that tech. Then, we talk about who worked on what last season, who did well with a certain style, and divide up the slots accordingly. Here, we all work on our own projects. Each designer does his own shoe, and the only teamwork comes in with suggestions from development when it is time to make the shoe. Other than that, we might ask each other from time to time what looks better.
I wish I could show you some of the AND1 stuff, you definately wouldn't recognize it as AND1. Now, it is just a matter of getting things made, or not made, as is the case sometimes. |
justin taylor
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| 6:29:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Thanks Dallas, no disrespect taken. I would much rather be the first JT anyway. |
ade otabor
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| 6:46:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
good stuff! seeing some of the newer stuff, i can not wait to see what y'all got coming next.
cool cool |
Arnaud Redon
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| 6:51:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Joshep, are you french ? and do you live in "metropolitan" France ?
What kind of school do you know for the moment ?
Most of the ID school are private school and are very expensive (and more than when i was in - Oo).
What have you studied since you're 14 years old ? |
Xavier Rush
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| 7:04:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ian: I seen your kicks and I definately think that you can hang with the big dogs. The Jordan XXII rendering of yours is my favorite |
Tony Hardman
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| 7:17:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JT definitely always bringin' that HEAT! Reminds me more of E. Scott Morris with the mad thoughts and rendering style though. Def got a bright future ahead of you Justin! p.s. I wonder if you look back on the pre-pro stuff and realize "That would be a MO FO to actually make!" I know I do... -TH |
dwayne edwards
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| 8:06:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JUSTIN:I have NEVER even tried on a pair of AND1's but I will when yours drop but I am not paying for them. I will trade you some JORDAN's for some AND1's.
Hummm, I never thought I would say those words either..
D |
Wayne Russell
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| 8:07:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Justin: When you interviewed with And 1 did you show them your work from niketalk or did you do seperate pieces with their branding?
^ I guess anyone that has interviewed already can provide a answer for me...is it appropriate to show work with branding of a competing company? I've been using my own brand (Salinger) to avoid any problems but i'm still curious...what is appropriate?
Thanks. |
Tony Hardman
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| 8:21:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Wayne: The logo is irrelevant. The ideas and skills are the important part. It's ok to show other brands. Sometimes the company will ask you for work specific to them..but NEVER let it out of your sight or leave it with them. If it has their logo on it, technically they OWN it by law. So just be careful. -TH |
Tony Hardman
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| 8:23:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
DE: I can't believe you said it either. Any chance of swapping for some Skechers boy's shoes?! LMAO! |
dwayne edwards
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| 9:02:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
TONY:I would just give them to you for free so you don't send them to me. What you need quick so I can get that thought out my mind...
D |
dallas stokes
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| 9:07:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
TH THATS REAL!!! I NEVER NOTICED THE SIMULARITIES BETWEEN E AND JT. FUNNY THING IS E WAS MY INSPIRATION AND FIRST TEACHER IN THE FOOTWEAR GAME. MY CAREER HAS BEEN MOLDED BY HIM DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY FOR YEARS. JT THEY THROWIN BIG SHOTS AT YOU MAN...TIME TO CALL BARRY AND BELCO. |
Wayne Russell
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| 9:23:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Tony: oh ok..thanks. something to think about. What did you show to "The S".
D'Wayne: I'll put up a full pair of phat farm's for a half pair of anything you got...much better than Tony's offer( not really). ha. I need some new shoes to chop up....basic cup soles ain't furthering the education.
General question(s):
Why is the air necessary in air max tech? If you cut the away the "bubbl"e there doesn't seem to be much of a difference as far cushioning is concerned...maybe it's slightly less stable but cushioning doesn't seem to suffer...the tpu does the work. I asked this question a long time ago but I don't remember if I received an answer. |
Xavier Rush
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| 9:55:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JUSTIN: Remember, Keep reppin for the SOUTH!!!!!!!! |
David Whetstone
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| 10:00:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ian and Justin.
Thanks for sharring your work.
Ian. Your illustrator/photoshop skills are quite nice. One thing I really liked about your hand renderings was the way you showed some guidelines (indigo blue pencil?). That seemed to give those drawings a lot of energy. It would be interesting to see how that worked with the computer renderings.
Justin. Your renderings really made me jump. Seeing stuff like that makes you realize that nothing is too "silly" to put down on a piece of paper. Sometimes I shy away from ideas because they seem impossible, but your work was so believable. Sometimes with renderings there still seems to be some grey area, your detailing made the shoes look like they were ready for the shelves.
Also, it looks like you used two different colors of markers. Is that the case? I had been questing using that technique because often Prisma markers have a big jump between shades. For example there are only 3 reds (one of which is almost orange). Eh well, I'll go give it a try anyway.
Thanks again for sharring Ian and Justin.
David
Oh...and I meant "silly" in a good way. |
ade otabor
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| 10:26:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
"Why is the air necessary in air max tech? If you cut the away the "bubbl"e there doesn't seem to be much of a difference as far cushioning is concerned...maybe it's slightly less stable but cushioning doesn't seem to suffer...the tpu does the work. I asked this question a long time ago but I don't remember if I received an answer."
i think it is because the having the element pressurized with "air" (i read somewhere it is actually filled with an inert gas) creates the cushioning response. plus it is supposed to not degrade as fast as foams...i am not sure if this
answers the question i am sure someone could better explain this?
de, can you say if will we be seeing ips on any other jordan models besides the # flagship series?
"but NEVER let it out of your sight or leave it with them. If it has their logo on it, technically they OWN it by law. So just be careful. -TH"
that is news to me...isn't it the norm to leave a sample book of your work when you get interviewed? |
David Whetstone
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| 10:35:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
I think ade is on the right track.
Foam breaks down. Meaning after "x" number of miles a shoe's ride will not be as supportive as it was before a runner has ran on it.
This is the idea behind the am 360. Nike wanted to maximize the amount of air (actually inert gas like ade said) and reduce the amount of foam since the air will not lose its form while the foam will. Technically, a shoe with a 100% inert gas insole should perform the same on day 1 as on day 101.
Anyone feel free to correct me for accuracy. I bet there is a feature on Nike.com somewhere...maybe in the am 360 page.
I hope I helped.
David |
David Whetstone
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| 10:36:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Correction...I said insole...i meant to say midsole...
"A shoe with 100% inert gas midsole..." |
Ryan Holler
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| 11:00:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JD -- I replied to the email you sent me yesterday, but it came back to me. My answer is that I don't know anything about I.D. schools in France or any other part of Europe. This (KG) is probably where you should ask that question.
DW -- Have you ever done your drawings with a pencil, shading and all (I mean take it real far in pencil gray) then lay marker down over it? Give it a try. Also, have you used Prismacolor pencils after you lay down the marker? Give that a try too. And draw big. The bigger you draw, the more detail you can get.
XR -- SOUTH!!! ... Dirrty. |
ade otabor
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| 11:13:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
"I.D. schools in France or any other part of Europe"
if you are in france creapole seems like it is a good bet for footwear design. ISD and maybe there is one other i think i am leaving out...a few of the kg particpants could probably tell you more specifically. |
Wayne Russell
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| 11:57:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ade/David: I understand that some break down (compression set) occurs with foam but this is not really what I was getting at.
What I want to know is why did Nike need to add "air" to their shoes in the first place? The results of my stupid little wear test (that i did in my room) showed that the air max technology functioned nearly the same once the bladder was cut out (The tpu stucture remained of course)...and I say nearly because the shoe was less stable...but this would perhaps be a non issue if the tpu was moved closer to the edges. I don't know, is there more to air than I can detect? |
Wayne Russell
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| 12:10:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
another question...what are those notches on the insole for (see pic)? i've seen them on a few insoles...and always on the medial side? what's it about?
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Xavier Rush
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| 12:57:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Speaking of good designers, my friend Brett Golliff is also coming up. He attends College for Creative Studies in Detroit.
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ade otabor
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| 1:33:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
which air max's did you dissect? how were you able to remove remove the bladder and still wear the shoe to test? got pics? my guess would be that the density of the "air" adds resilency to the unit, by its density maybe? maybe you could find the patent and read what its said to do from the source? |
Tony Hardman
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| 1:56:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
DE: I'm serious, man. We got some euro-fusion mountain trainers with a real nice z-closure! LOL. It's crazy technical!!! P.S. Please send XXI's immediately to avoid receipt of skechers Crocs in all colors.
Wayne: I believe those notches coincide with internal notches to keep the insole from sliding up and slipping around inside.
Dallas: I never knew that you were tight with E. I met him once but he probably doesn't remember me...though I can't blame him considering how much football knowledge he's retaining up there!
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Tony Hardman
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| 1:58:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
" I need some new shoes to chop up....basic cup soles ain't furthering the education. "
LOL...I feel you Wayne! That had me rolllling! |
Joseph Dumary
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| 2:44:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
RYAN-
Yes that's the truth!, I know that, but, the problem is..because I don't have software or sophistical material...like many of the others designers.., so I'm obliged to do with my Felt-tip pen, and a pencil..only!
I want to create a new way to design..this is one of my objective..that's why, with my pencil and my felt-tip pen, I design shoes like no other did before. But, I don't have any problems with the " Normal Design" on the contrairy, now.I work on this! But these designs are so old...( 1998-2003) and now I work on my 9th collection of shoes and apparels (accessories) for basketball...and everytime I learn what you tell me about my design and I note'em..always on time on this site to follow your advice (on ryanholler.com too)...I think I have a lot of imagination..but It's the design which look like something real..if I pass you my idea to design.....you'll see..I need some work to become like you..like you design shoes....Don't be worried; I'm working now! Thanks!
Ade- Thanks, but I'ts so expensive..like you mentionned..I'll see with 'em in the day's coming. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 3:03:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Arnaud- I'm not french but I live in France..in the metropolitan France. I know there are many ID schools but they don't focused on the footwear... like many of ID schools in the states did! I want a good ID school...I know they are expensive ( 6000 per year in Creapole), so expensive for me!
When I was 14, I have studied on the college ( high school for you) to prepare a scientific education ( Physic, math, chemistry)...that's all.. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 3:16:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Ryan..what happen on your site now?? |
Eddy Lasmin
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| 5:14:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
hiii give me a comment about this one!!thanks
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Eddy Lasmin
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| 5:31:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
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sarah w
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| 7:26:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Brian M- what school are you going to be at? |
Joseph Dumary
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| 9:37:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Old Design...(1999)
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Joseph Dumary
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| 9:40:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
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Joseph Dumary
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| 9:43:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Old design..again
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Claudio Perugia
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| 10:20:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
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Claudio Perugia
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| 10:31:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Hi Guys!!
Since it is my first time on the chat I would like to post one of my latest creations. I would love some feedback on the design, I was thinking about creating something that looks good and feels good as well.
Anyways looking forward to some feedback.
Take care guys, Cheers!
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Xavier Rush
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| 10:31:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Joseph: Your designs have a unique style. |
Ian Gale
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| 11:21:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
David: Dont mention it...i like people to see my work and give their opinions. I have not rendered with markers for over a year...I need to practice n refresh that skill. on the flip side, my computer skills have sky-rocketed tho.. |
Arnaud Redon
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| 11:27:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Joseph - There aren't footwear design school in France, but the best way to become an athletic footwear designer seems to be the product design way. And the best ID schools are Creapole or Strate College in Paris or ISD in Valenciennes, there are expensive but maybe you can borrow money from a bank. All the ID schools are private, there are so few public school but they haven't got the strong connections with the industry that can have the private schools, for example each year Creapole have students in internship at Puma, Fila, Adidas or Nike.
An other fact to consider is that these private schools are big business, sometimes you feel like every teachers and especially the directors are only looking for $$. I've been 4 years in Creapole, and some of my friends have stoped because of this, it's a big competition!
If you want to see what you would do in Creapole i've some link to portfolios of students who were in the same class than mine. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 11:53:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Oh that's truth!! Arnaud, tu me sauves la vie là! j'irai les contacter dans les semaines qui viennent...I hope you speak french..Thanks! |
johnny szabo
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| 11:55:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Ade I dont know the answer to your question, but Ive had my air max pop before and still had the same feel, even though I played another month in them.
Joseph nice designs thats somethin totally new, but they kinda seem bulky to me.
I would like to ask all of the pros, since there are a couple here when did you guys get into this whole designing process, when did you start, did you start with shoes, did you attend any kinda special highschool? |
justin taylor
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| 11:59:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
D'WAYNE: You can come to my office and pick out any samples you want, if I can go to your office and do the same! lol
DAVID: Thanks for the kind words. Some of the time, I do use two different shades, but I rely more on layering with the same shade and pencil. Using two different colors really only works if they are very close colors. |
Brian Moughty
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| 12:19:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
sarah w-I'll be going to Wentworth...Its in Boston.. |
Wayne Russell
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| 12:31:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Ade: here's a pic.
Tony: Thanks but what internal notches? How would they build that in? It couldn't be on the midsole and itn't not on the upper.
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Wayne Russell
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| 12:32:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
^ on the lining side of the upper I mean. |
Wayne Russell
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| 12:33:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
^ on the lining side of the upper I mean. |
Tony Hardman
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| 12:50:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Wayne: I dunno. It was a just a guess. I would have to see the shoe you pulled it out of. Maybe it designates something for the factory. -TH |
Tony Hardman
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| 12:51:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
D'Wayne: I am boxing up your crocs and hope to get them out to you this afternoon. Overnight delivery. |
Brian Moughty
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| 1:20:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
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Brian Moughty
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| 1:21:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
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Arnaud Redon
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| 1:26:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
...I'm french, but i don't speak french, sorry...
Bien sûr que oui !!! :P
You need to know that in ID school in France you do everything about design, and if you're lucky maybe you'll do shoes... In 4 years i've never get a shoe project at school, but there're students who'd chosen a shoe project for their diploma.
For the links, there is the portfolio of a friend of mine, Emeric Demeyer :
http://coroflot.com/public/individual_details.asp?job_seeker_id=48422&t=&display_portfolio=yes
And the one of Solene Roure who was in the same year than me :
http://coroflot.com/public/individual_details.asp?job_seeker_id=97823&t=&display_portfolio=yes
They've both done internship in footwear ;) |
justin taylor
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| 1:28:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
TONY HARDMAN: Yup, I definately look back now and think, "nope, that wouldn't work," or, "That would be WAY to expensive!" It sure is fun to work with no boundaries. |
ade otabor
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| 3:27:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
i see what you mean now wayne, i can not say that i know why "air" is necessary but my uneducated guess would be that it keeps the impact absorbtion/cushioning consistent across the area of the impact. without the air there might likely be deadspots where the cushioning element might result in a uneven feel...
cladio and eddy, pietro posted a little overlay of the "proper" proportions some posts ago, that would greatly improve the quality of your design and allow people to better understand what you want them to see...it does not need to be perfect but it something to be aimed at...
arnaud, you know emeric? that is my dude! i interned with that guy, one the coolest people i have met also a very good designer...a little 7-30 though...hahaha! |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 4:11:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
I'll try to post my Jordan Design later guys!
But for now let me know what you guys think about these.
I posted this before but never really got that much feed back.
What do I need to improve on?
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Xavier Rush
(194)
| 4:13:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
And here is a cross-training shoe I did also.
What do I need to improve on?
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chris carraway
(125)
| 4:21:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Xavier Rush: have you ever been a finalist in any of these monthly competitions? i would like to see how an entry would be portrayed. |
Lei Wang
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| 5:02:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Xavier, I like the style of your renderings and the Wade design looks cool. I have one comment- the outsole goes up very high on the heel part which means it requires a large amount of rubber to make the outsole. The more rubber you use, the heavier the shoes will be, which may reduce the speed of Wade's movements on the court. |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 5:48:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Chris: I've never been interested in a entering. I'm still thinking about the Wadeness Month(different shoe). I would like to see how it will end up. May Consider.
Lei: I think you made a very good point. I've never thought of that either. Because DWade is a very speedy player and that part would slow him down. Thanks for the tip.
EVERYONE: More comments are welcome, please. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 6:01:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Xavier Rush: well i got bored and for the last 30 mins i redrew your design the way i see it. i tryed not to change too much.
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chris carraway
(125)
| 6:03:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
and yes you would have to use leather instead of rubber in that area because not only will it weigh the shoe down it serves no athletic purpose. |
johnny szabo
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| 6:21:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Nice job XAvier, I like the Wade and yeah since he is the player that requires a light shoe you cant use rubber. No one seemed to reply to my post, on how old are yall, when you got started, any special high school etc. Yhanx in advance! Hopefully Ill be postin my Jordan sketches, but my scanners busted for now. |
Rich Benares
(644)
| 6:27:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Johnny ill be first to answer...
im at the old age of 31..I attended OTIS College of Art and Design in Los Angeles ( hooray for Macarthur Park! lol ) I majored in Graphic Desgn and Illustration. No special High Schools for me. Grew up in Los Angeles, now living in San Diego..umm and yeah I draw shoes from time to time. When the wife lets me haha
R1ch |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 6:31:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Chris: I should have made the lines like that. I actually thought about it when it was too late. I first draw the shoe lightly with a No. 2 pencil and then trace it over with a blue or black pen. The reason I decide to use a pen to decrease the chances of smearing.
Johnny: To answer your question, I have been drawing shoes since I was 7. Now I'm 18. I'm really passionate about it. That's a dream of mines that'll will never die. But on the contrary, I also design urban clothes too. Well I try. |
Arnaud Redon
(127)
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| 7:01:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Yeah I know him, and he's told me he knows you at Fila, its looks like a cool place to meet cool people! I was in class with him during our first year in Creapole. Now, he needs an us visa to design watches at Nike (he also tries to enter at adidas), but maybe you know that, are you still in touch with him ? |
Tony Hardman
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| 7:27:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
the "Wadeness"...am I the only one that doesn't get that?
-TH |
chris carraway
(125)
| 7:51:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
i have a question: being that Nike now owns Converse would it be appropriate to incorporate some of Nike's technology into a Converse shoe? Mercedes did it with chrysler and increased there sales (look at the 300m, and the cross-fire) or will they just be separate intities under one name? if they merge in that format i have just recreated my wade design today because it uses the I.P.S. system i thought of this for my jordan design (which was as of now not selected as a finalist... maybe because it was late) but i feel Nike tech can add a lot of flare to Converse's kinda bland designs. (i would just like to show off my I.P.S. system upgrade in detail). |
Rich Benares
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| 8:02:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
TH I dont get it either. Is it a play on the word Madness? |
chris carraway
(125)
| 8:04:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
KG: did you get my design? was it too late or did i just not make the cut? if it is not going to be posted i am going to post it in chat so that i can get everyones opinion. |
Tony Hardman
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| 8:12:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Rich..Ah. Could be! No idea. I didn't know you went to Otis. I play ball at a gym over there. How did you like it? |
johnny szabo
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| 8:59:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Thanx for the feedback! |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 9:10:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Chris-Throw it up in here..It appears all finalists are done...... |
chris carraway
(125)
| 9:13:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
ok give me a min |
ade otabor
(411)
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| 9:48:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
yes, we still keep in contact every once in while we let each other know whats up, a really fun and talented individual...
"the "Wadeness"...am I the only one that doesn't get that?"
" TH I dont get it either. Is it a play on the word Madness?"
i thought it was a spinoff of the whole lebron "witness" phenomenon which spawned the ever popular dirk "nowitzness" and the dwayne "wadeness" tees that the fans were rocking during the playoffs... |
Rich Benares
(644)
| 10:17:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
TH: OTIS was cool, but I attended it back in 93 so they were still at the old location ( Macarthur Park )kinda ghetto over there haha, but overall the school was nice man, I just wish I took it more seriously back then. Coming out of HS school I thought that my skills would carry me through, so I slacked off, put off projects till the last minute, and I kinda paid the price for it. But it's all good - we live and learn. Taught me the true meaning of dedicating yourself to the art. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 10:23:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
well to explain my Jordan xxii design i wanted to follow the jordan theme of simplistic elegance. You know the jordan line has never been one to show off. with the new I.P.S. there are still a lot of people who still do not know that these shoes have interchangeable pods. Most people just go to the store and see the shoes and thats it. (LOVE IT OR HATE IT!!) I was not intending on changing this policy. Like i said earlier i designed the jordan xxii, and the wade ii at the same time and being that i started after the deadline i did them both in about a week. I entered my design at the begining of july. when i was rendering this design i wanted to do something that i know that nobody was going to do with their jordan design and that was the material. i did do a nice amount of research on this design and i strongly believe that this is finalist material. "BUT OH WELL" besides being a finalist i wanted the feedback and the ability for people to see my name and to be able to go back and look up my design every month. "SO PEOPLE FEEL FREE TO GIVE ME YOUR BEST AND WORST COMMENTS ON THIS DESIGN" |
Brian Moughty
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| 12:22:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Tooo much chit chat and talk about not being a finalist..Its not even THAT big of a deal...I have never been a finalist but have came across relationships and one the best mentors and designer in the industry...And it wasn't because I was always a finalist, but I never even had been..
So just put up your designs, and if they are that great good things will come..
Chris-Just curious..How old are you? Have you already gone through/started college?... |
Brian Moughty
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| 12:24:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
X-Good to see someone else as young and passionate about this as I am...Since we are similar ages, you never know...Maybe one day we will be working on a shoe together...
We can only hope, pray, learn, and practice... |
dylan silvan
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| 12:35:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Why isnt my rendering up there????? |
Brian Moughty
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| 12:48:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
1 more thing Chris-
"You know the jordan line has never been one to show off."
Do you have the correct line?.....
You make it sound like their shoes you find at payless or something(TH-sketchers arn't at payless, are they?If so My appologies;)-but Im tyring to just make a point, cuz I know you would agree Jordan and sketches are two different levels) |
Greg Wade
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| 1:12:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Hmmm... A sub-sub-sub-culture, even the mad have ears, or should I say internet access! God-on, my dear muskovits...
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Brian Moughty
(378)
| 1:15:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Sorry for another post but I have to...
Think about it...JB has been "showing off" right from the start...by putting a color scheme that basketball has not seen on shoes...To things like innovative technology, elephant print, patent leather, suede, lace covers, gaiters, straps...and more...Where would Jordan Brand be without "showing off"...As a designer especially for an Air Jordan..You have to 'show off", not in the sense of braggin by talking, but by design...Showing how good you are through design....I have no idea where the world would be if designers didnt show off...What if everyone kept their ideas and skills to themselves?..JB may limit designs and designers, based on things like price and such...but still every year the air Jordan shoe has always "stuck out"...When you first see it, or go to a shoe store, Jordans are always what are being "shown off"..and the Air Jordan is always the one shoe that sticks out on the shelves, or on the court..JB is that LAST brand I would put as not "showing off"... |
Brian Moughty
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| 1:18:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Show-off as a deisgner, not as a person...
You have to learn to be a "humble show-off"...Like JT..Humble? yes?..But showed off his skills? Yes... |
Ian Gale
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| 1:41:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
chris..
relax bro, u always sound like u trying to get everyone's attention. these KG Artist Series are supposed to be fun. dont take it so personal.. |
David Othie
(29)
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| 4:32:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
well.. I just read that all the finalists have been chosen.. so I guess my entry didn’t make it.. but I wanted to share my design and get some feedback…
but let me introduce myself real quick.. young guy from Sweden, studying in London.. but not doing any ID like most you guys.. I check out KG as often as I can.. you guys really help me get my mind of schoolwork when it tends to get to hectic.. so thanx I guess.. Now that I am home in Sweden for the summer I have the opportunity to participate in these contests.. lovin it.. enyways.. nuff bout me…
Inspiration for my Jordan shoe came from the mans latest venture, motorcycles. (Other than the Bobcats thingy=)When thinking of ideas for this project I got curious of what a motorcycle shoe actually looks like. They are pretty cool, go have a look.. So a lot of cues from my design are taken from motorcycling racing boots, from the cut to the laceless shoe. Also you’ll see that it sorta looks like a boot, with the breathable innerbootie also being the upper. This will make for a light weight shoe.. Other details of the shoe are the three “knobs” you turn and the ankle strap to tighten the fit of the shoe. A big midfoot shank is in place for extra stability, much like the racing boots.
Drop a line and tell me what u think, and what I’m really looking for is advice on how to improve. What am I doing wrong? What can I do better? Kinda stuck right now…
Thanx..
And while I’m at it.. nestor.. how do u render your stuff.. if I may ask… same thing for karabo? C’mon share ya secrets.. And Mike Abdelnour is my favourite… wicked!
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chris carraway
(125)
| 5:36:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Ian Gale:
you are right i want to get everyones attention so that they will anticipate seeing what all the yappin is about. I see that as of now i am a nobody. Its like when i see your name i think... yeah he does some very nice designs (look at what he's done!!) The same with everyone else who becomes a finalist. KG says: "respect is earned not taken" and i dont feel that i have earned any respect until i have become a finalist. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 5:45:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
KARABO ANOH:
i think you have the hottest design up there. But if i was to change something on it, it would be the front i dont see why that had to be added, it looks like some clown lips. i would have left it all white. I love the japaneese flag concept but i dont know how many Americans would buy it. If it was for a Japaneese player it would be perfect. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 5:58:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Brian Moughty:
i ment showing off as of technology the Jordan xxii could have easily made a spectical of its new pod tech (with displays at the store, like they did with the shox's "boing") but they didnt. You dont really know unless you do a little research, a store clerk tells you, or after you buy them. I have two pair the black ones and the white ones... thanks D.E. i would like the grey suede version as well i kinda based part of my design on them. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 7:19:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
You make it sound like their shoes you find at payless or something(TH-sketchers arn't at payless, are they?If so My appologies;)
LOL!! i just got that. Skethchers may not be the hottest brand out there (in designing) but i do see a lot of people wearing them. So they are making money. i hate there commercials though. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 7:22:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
well i have to go to work i will post my jordan xxii design afterward. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 7:28:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Yeah, Othie your design is pretty good!!! I think that your design deserves to be between all finalists..have you post it? |
Brian Moughty
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| 10:01:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Chris- I still don't agree with this "show off" thing..."Tune your IPS" that was one thing JB had in their ads...and in a lot they showed thAt the cushioning could be switched...There is whole features on the shoe and every detail on the site...and posters were up in stores... |
David Othie
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| 10:26:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Joseph: Thanx man, i wish u were the one deciding who the finalists are.. haha..i read somewhere in the chat that all the finalists had been chosen, so i just thought i'd post it and get some feedback...
May i ask, what did you think of it? good/bad?
Also, i really like your stuff.. it's really different from the most stuff you see here... i remember that i used to draw shoes from that angle too, then i got hooked on KG and i started doing straight profiles instead.. in my opinion, your shape is alil bulky, but your renderings are very beautifully done.
Do you use a computer at all when doing your renderings? |
Xavier Rush
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| 11:03:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Brian: Maybe........Right now, you're one step ahead of me. But, Imma catch up though. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 11:19:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Doopy CX
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Brian Moughty
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| 11:19:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
X-Ill make sure you don't...ha.. |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 11:23:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
I'm not surprised......LOL |
paul boucher
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| 11:55:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Chris - I have to say something. Don't make a big deal about being a finalist. I know you are excited and anxious, believe me I know the feeling, but relax a little bit buddy. Everything will come in due time. You do a lot of hyping your ideas and designs and no one has seen them. I know you were waiting to see if you would be a finalist, I do the same thing, but after I know I am not I will post them up here for feed back. You keep talking about how you want to see what people think of your designs and get feed back, well, you don't need to be a finalist for that. I have gotten great feed back and not been a finalist in months. The guys on here are great and would gladly give you any advise/feed back you would like. You just have to ask for it. But you have to do it in a way that makes them want to. You don't need to come off arrogant. You need to humble yourself and listen. You do a lot of talking/hyping (talking in general is good, but not in an “I know I should have won" and "Mine was better than theirs” way) your designs and you have some big shoes to fill. If you don't people are going to be disappointed. Like Brian said, "Show off as a designer, not as a person." There couldn't be a truer statement in your case. Let your designs speak for themselves, not your mouth. If you are not in design school yet, or if you are just starting, some advise: Become humble, speak softly, and listen. Don't justify everything you do, but do explain some things. There is a difference in justification and explanation. Your teachers will appreciate you more. I am not saying that you can’t back things up, because you need to have reason for everything you do, not “just cause I thought it looked good”. So you can speak about your design, just in a different manner. I think you do do your research and have reasons why you chose to do things; you just bring them to the table the wrong way. Continued. |
paul boucher
(143)
| 11:55:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
It’s been crazy in this chat room, so I can't remember but I think it was TH or JT that said something like “in the industry you have to explain things because sometimes your ideas do not come across to the person looking at them.” I got my degree in Communication Arts w/ a Concentration in Graphic Design so I know what he is talking about. I don’t get a lot of the Industrial Design stuff, but I do know this; the main goal is to “NOT” have to explain anything in your design. When someone looks at your design (the design director, the production manage, the end user, anybody), they should be able to read visual what you want to say in words. If they can do that, then there is no need for talking/ hyping. Your work speaks for itself. If you can learn to do this then you are on your way to becoming a good designer. There is more to being a designer than the physical art part of it. Like personality, your character, your belief structure, your morals, etc. etc. etc. Learn to blend these things together and you will on your way to being a better designer.
Anybody – If any of that you disagree with or want to add anything to what I said, please feel free to. I would love to hear what everyone else thinks, especially those guys out there that are in the industry.
P.S. Sorry about the rant. I just felt I had to speak my mind on this one, and I am sorry if I was too harsh or came of as arrogant in any way.
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Joseph Dumary
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| 12:09:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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Brian Moughty
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| 12:25:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Chris-Another thing..Wether you feel or not you are noticed or known...Turst me..Your design is MUCH anticipated now...everyone wants to see now... |
Aurélien Longo
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| 1:36:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
hi everybody
it is the 4th time i try to be selected between the 15 famous renderings.but not So i present you my project for the contest of the JORDAN XXII.
Tell me what you feel about it.
thanks !!
Aurélien
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andrew trautmann
(50)
| 2:02:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Aurélien- your design is pretty good but its another case of too much computer work not enough hand design. and also the shoe looks a little too high or too short. but the overall concept has potential |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 2:15:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Here is my Jordan XXII rendering, let me know what you guys think.
What Do I need to improve on?
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ade otabor
(411)
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| 2:18:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
sure is a lot of talking going on...i am not sure why everybody trying to school chris, let him, do him. especially when people are saying the same things...
"Think about it...JB has been "showing off" right from the start...by putting a color scheme that basketball has not seen on shoes...To things like innovative technology, elephant print, patent leather, suede, lace covers, gaiters, straps...and more...Where would Jordan Brand be without "showing off"...As a designer especially for an Air Jordan..You have to 'show off", not in the sense of braggin by talking, but by design...Showing how good you are through design....I have no idea where the world would be if designers didnt show off...What if everyone kept their ideas and skills to themselves?..JB may limit designs and designers, based on things like price and such...but still every year the air Jordan shoe has always "stuck out"...When you first see it, or go to a shoe store, Jordans are always what are being "shown off"..and the Air Jordan is always the one shoe that sticks out on the shelves, or on the court..JB is that LAST brand I would put as not "showing off"..."
two things here, if you think JB is about showing off, maybe you have not been paying attention? if you mean being different or actively trying to be fashion/perfomance forward and find new trends, i am with that. trying to create a product for their consumer that at once can be exactly what they expect and yet be something totally new...
"You have to learn to be a "humble show-off"...Like JT..Humble? yes?..But showed off his skills? Yes..."
a humble show-off is still a show-off(not calling justin a show-off). showing off has a negative connotation, i think if you can do, whatever you do, the best you can do it, while you are doing it, and you will not have to worry about anything else... |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 2:27:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
ade- Not really sure what your trying to say here..but I think we are agreeing lol...
Im saying not to be a "show off" in the way of talking and bragging...But being a show off with your talent... |
ade otabor
(411)
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| 2:27:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
i it is hard, especially in this setting, to remember that to be designers means marrying art, function, and industry (with a dash of inspiration/storytelling). here, as reminded every month, we do not have the restrictions that the pros do (or the resources)but if we can keep in mind that the goal is not to show-off or to only make cool ish, but to make cool ish that fits within a brand and its goals. the skills are a means to and ends, which is communicating or designs/ideas...
sorry for the long rant...
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dwayne edwards
(179)
| 2:39:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
CHRIS:First of all thank you for the compliments but let me tell you, you have dug yourself a huge hole with all of your words talking about this and that. You remind me of a boxer that talks all this trash to hype up himself and the fight. Make'n people believe he is going to kill this guy when he gets in the ring and guess what happens. He gets knocked out in the first round and the funny thing is he swung so hard he hit himself.
You are talk'n so much I am willing to bet anyone on this site that your XX2 Design would not even make it to the ring because someone who talks as much as you are doing is hiding the fact that you are not that good. I mean that with no disrespect but if, you are good at anything other people will be talking about you not you talking about yourself.
I have been around for a long time and I have NEVER heard your name before. I have NEVER seen your sketches. I have NEVER seen any of your designs in a store. And, I am confused why are you so opinionated, cocky and think you know everything there is to know about design. Please do yourself a favor and take the time to humble yourself apologize to everyone on this board that you have offended and reintroduce yourself before you post your design because something tells me you are going to get slammed even if it is halfway ok..
Trust me.
D |
andrew trautmann
(50)
| 2:42:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
xavier- i didnt really have an opinion about your shoe untill i noticed after about 2 minutes the huge stitched 23. its kinda like the 'more uptempos'...its bold man i like it. |
ade otabor
(411)
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| 2:45:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
"Im saying not to be a "show off" in the way of talking and bragging...But being a show off with your talent..."
oh, no doubt. but real talk, there are ALOT of talented people in this world, and people do not generally care about how talented a person is. it may just be semantics but what i am trying to say is there will not be a NEED for you to have to "show-off" if you attempt to do the best you can... |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 2:46:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
X-Even though you did it differently, I believe that "23" idea had kinda been used for the VI..According to what people say...So just try to bring someting new to the table...
Maybe that could be like a nu'6?... |
dwayne edwards
(179)
| 3:00:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
PAUL B:Great posts. I agree with everything you said pretty much. The only part I will address is the one about your designs should speak for themselves. In my opinion in regards to footwear that is about 50 to 60% correct. You need to leave about 25 to 20% open for conversation/discovery for the consumer to fall in love with it 100%.
You are not always able to tell the entire story through your work. Sometimes you have complete the story/explain why it is designed a certain way so people gain a better understanding of what your vision was when the shoe is complete.
Words also play a but role at the beginning of your design process because if you don't have your concept/story set before you design you will be just moving lines. So, that is another 25 to 20%.
Now, this also works on the front end when you are trying to pitch your designs as well mainly because the majority of the time the people you are pitching to cannot see 3D like we can. So words that explain your vision is key.
Storytelling is just as important as your design... Just my footwear point of view. Everything else you say I thought was on point.
BRIAN and ADE:Save your breath with CHRIS until he shows us something.
D |
Joseph Dumary
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| 3:15:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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ade otabor
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Artist Info
| 3:39:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
comment and scores:
joe im: rating 9---overall super nice design!!! the only thing that did not make this a ten for me was your shoe did not really address any performance aspects(which you acknowledged). but top notch presentation, communication of the inspiration and execution. i guess you could tweak the proportions as peitro suggested, as it might make it a lil' better but it looks good as is. the board with the sketches of different views is hot, it be nice to see a cleaned up version of that. another minor thing is the placement of the jumpman seems a little out of place maybe? tight stuff
mike abdelnour: rating 8---i really like the design of your xxii it is really elegant design and well rendered with great functional insights. i like how the graphic cuts across the shoe like that it is very striking, and i also like how extends into the toe, the heel cradle is pretty sweet too. for me the fact that it is inspired by a golf swing makes it less likable to me, i keep thinking this what similarities or functionalities does it have for a basketball shoe? sometimes i think inspirations can be a lil' od'ed or too literal, it is still a hot shoe though. also it seems as if your perspective view is showing the medial side right? it looks to have the silouette of the lateral side in perspective. |
chris carraway
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| 4:03:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
I knew when i got home that a lot of peolpe were going to be talking about me. LOL!! i was laughing about it at work. I do talk a lot of smack and for that i appoligize to anyone that i offended. Its kool i dont want people to star hating me i was just waiting for the last coulple of weeks to see a design that never showed up. Well its ok like i said i will post my design now, and despite all the crap i said i would like everyones honest opinion. (whatever i did wrong i would like to improve upon on my wade design) |
mike abdelnour
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| 4:08:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Thanks Ade, the perspective view is supposed to show the medial side but you're right it does look like a lateral silouette. I tried changing it but it always ended up looking like a lateral view. I'll definately be working on improving perspectives in my future renderings. |
chris carraway
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| 4:19:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
well since it was not posted as a finalist could some of you give me a rating like from 1-10. thats what i really wanted, along with your comments i would very much appreciate that. |
ade otabor
(411)
Artist Info
| 4:26:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
comment and scores
nes hernandez: rating 7---nice consistent style, good detailing, the link to racing is cool too. it seems a lil' long in the forefoot maybe but that is negligible, something about it just says team jb though, it does not really make a statement. there is not really anything more i can say. it is presented very well, but for future it might be good to include additional views...
karabo: rating 7---good render, i am a lil lost on why you chose the rising sun? and it is not really clear what is going on with the slits? or at the toe? are there laces? more views might clear this up. under scrutiny this design does not really appear to hold it own, but i like it...and it has similarities to what jb's aesthetic
will kerns: rating 6---i love the idea, but the execution of it imo does not quite seem jordanesque. maybe this is partially the color? but that is the risk, colors can affect perception. also some of the elements seem unnecessarily complicated like the toe guard and the cage, could you make these more simple, sophisticated, and/or stylish? i think if you could, you would have a reeeally tight solution. while unique in style, the renders share a little with karabo's entry in that they look too undefined and do not really communicate much materials or form, the dark outline flattens the shoe so it look more like a sketch than a "finished" and complete idea.. |
gustavo morcillo
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| 4:36:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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gustavo morcillo
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| 4:38:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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chris carraway
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| 4:59:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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Xavier Rush
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| 5:09:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
DE: I agree with the "let the design speak for itself."
CHRIS: I can't wait to see your design, alot has been spoken from you. I know you have something hot for us.(here's the pressure) But I'm dead serious, If you haven't posted anything and have alot of opinions then you will not receive as much respect as you wish. The scariest thing is if your drawing doesn't amount up to all the talking. |
ade otabor
(411)
Artist Info
| 5:14:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
comment and scores
firman: rating 6---feeling your design, i can see it being a jordan # shoe with a little more attention. it is clean and simple however, it the style of the rendering hurts how it is viewed, it is not really detailed or very clear. it would be nice if it some mention of performance or materials and more views...
david: rating 5---sweet ideas and your are good with the markers i see. it just does not really look like a jordan shoe. there is too much going on, seems like it could have been executed better, a more elegant solution. from the words i can tell you were thinking some really functional ideas, now it is just trying to make them work stylistically. i like the lock down straps but the way you have implemented them, it does not appear they would allow for a very customizable fit. the two views explain alot, but more views can communicate your design clearer sometimes.
fransergio: rating 5---tecnically the rendering is well executed and i know you got skillz b, but the shoe does not really fit with jb or look much like a basketball shoe. you are pushing the envelope and bringing new perspective to the brand so maybe that is why it not instantly appealing but more than anything else you want people to look at the design and say "that's a jordan" there are also some issues with the proportion which could change the perception but it just does not say jordan
hope these comment do not come off as being harsh...just my thoughts |
chris carraway
(125)
| 5:16:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
well i think my design is hot i would like to know how everyone else feels. i am haveing a little trouble puting it on give me a min. |
Xavier Rush
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| 5:22:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
BY THE END OF THE DAY THE FACTS WILL OUT LIVE THE OPINIONS!!!!!!! |
chris carraway
(125)
| 5:29:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
ok i got it!! |
chris carraway
(125)
| 5:36:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
i rendered the jordan entry in photoshop i was going to do the wade using prisma marker to show different techniques but since i was not a finalist i will try to use both styles on my wade design. |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 5:42:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
CHRIS: If you think I'm just talking to you, NO,NO,NO my friend that's for everyone.
But I guess the guilty will speak. |
chris carraway
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| 5:52:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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chris carraway
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| 5:53:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
feel free to comment and give suggestions everyone. |
chris carraway
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| 6:19:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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chris carraway
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| 6:21:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
i think that is as big as ite gets. the little gray words read "DESIGNED BY: CHRIS CARRAWAY, WWW.CHRISCARRAWAY@COMCAST.NET" |
chris carraway
(125)
| 6:24:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE A FULL SIZE IMAGE E-MAIL ME AND I WILL SEND IT. AND IF ANYONE IS WONDERING YES THAT IS GREY SUEDE, I DID IT LIKE THE NEW XXI'S |
Xavier Rush
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| 6:25:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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chris carraway
(125)
| 6:34:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
FILA'S....? OMG!! i havent seen those shoes since elementry. well it is a tad bit similar but i did not even remember those shoes till now. and if i was to get inparation from any footwear design it would not be of a Fila shoe. |
chris carraway
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| 6:37:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
i just wanted to create a very simple design that would follow the jordan theme. |
gustavo morcillo
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| 6:43:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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gustavo morcillo
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| 6:44:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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gustavo morcillo
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| 6:46:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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Xavier Rush
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| 6:54:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
CHRIS: You remember everyone had them back in the day. Those are classics now! |
dwayne edwards
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| 6:57:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
CHRIS:Since you think this is a board to play games "LOL!! i was laughing about it at work"
and try get under peoples skin I will not waist my time on words to help you when there are people on this board are here to learn. By doing that, shows me you have NO RESPECT for anyone on this board who is trying to help people. You are lucky I am not an MODERATOR because I would band you from this board. None of this is a joke.
XAVIER:FILA wins by a KO!
D |
chris carraway
(125)
| 7:13:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
dwayne edwards:
Calm Down: i did not mean it like that. i was laughing at myself for saying stuff like that. (you know how you do something you shouldnt have done then think about it afterwards?) i was not trying to disrespect anyone in what i said. nor did i have the intent to play games with anyone. i am like everyone else in my search for knowledge. and i have respect for everyone because everyone on this board can learn from each other. i just appologized for any aspect of disrespect i may have aroused in my earlier text all i want is comments and opinions not an argument with anyone. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 7:16:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Xavier Rush:
yes i remember they were hot back then that is when i actually liked Fila. are those Grant Hill's cuz i know Fila was popular for them. i dont know what happened now. |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 7:30:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
CHRIS: YES! They are Grant Hill's, could've got them but I was too busy begging my mom to get the OG Jordan XI's at the time for school. I didn't get either so I got the Uptempo's, you know the ones that had AIR in BIG letters on the side. But It was all good. I miss those days.
That's when alot of companies had hot shoe. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 7:37:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Xavier Rush:
i know that is what i miss. i posted that a while back "i miss the days when i would go to the mall and there would be so many great designs that i didnt know what to get" it was like every company had a half-way decent shoe out. that is what help to inspire my quest to become a footwear designer. i wanted to be part of that feeling. Just the thought of someone going to the mall and saying whoa these shoes are hot i gotta get them and knowing that i designed them. that is the day that i live for. |
paul boucher
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| 7:58:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Dwayne - I do agree with what you said about having to tell a story. You do have to help those people who can’t see 3 dimensionally understand your concept. And I also agree that you need to leave some mystery to your design for people to discover. I went to the shoe store today and saw the Jordan Trainer T4G's just to see what they looked like all the way around and to see the different elements of the shoe in person. They advertised it on www.jumpman23.com with that sense of mystery in mind. They only showed you part of the shoe in the video and didn't show you 360 degrees of it or how it worked until now and it’s still not like seeing it in person. That is the first shoe in a while that I really just had to get out and see, and I have to say that they are really hot. They only had the black ones or I would have bought a pair. D, I want to say I appreciate you comments and input. I was too much into a rant to get out all the aspects of communication in my spiel. I do think that this is an integral part of the design process; I just thought that Chris wasn't doing a good job at it. I chose the wrong words earlier. You can justify thing as well as explain them. It’s just in how you justify them. Bragging in an arrogant manner is not a good way to justify them, but explaining the research behind your inspirations and technologies in an eloquent and non-confrontational way is. My girlfriend helped me get out what I was trying to say on that one. Got to love her. Once again D thanks a great deal for your response.
Paul
Dwayne – By the way, I have a few questions for you, if you wouldn't mind, email me at don99pablo@yahoo.com. I would really appreciate it.
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chris carraway
(125)
| 8:15:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
paul boucher:
i feel you i know that some time i do not use the right lauguage for this board. (i guess i am just used to learning in a different aspect we would talk smack about each other and to not be let down we try our best to develop the best idea after that is done we tell each other what the other person did wrong and go from there) it was a harsh critque. But it worked. i worked harder. |
Brian Moughty
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| 8:39:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
"CHRIS: YES! They are Grant Hill's, could've got them but I was too busy begging my mom to get the OG Jordan XI's at the time for school. I didn't get either so I got the Uptempo's, you know the ones that had AIR in BIG letters on the side. But It was all good. I miss those days."
Wow X- Now this is a HUGE coincidence...I was shopping for shoes for bball in 3rd grade, and ended up with the Hill's or the XI lows(I didn't realize the value of these, and the improtant back then)...I had to pick between those 2...One we would return...I picked the Hill's..Then I saw the Uptempo's in a store..and loved them ha...So those are actually ther shoes I ended up with...Amazing...I loved that "AIR"... |
Brian Moughty
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| 8:48:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Chris- Since you want a critique..those def. didn't live up to the hype...
They are a non-inspirational shoe, with nothing new or interesting to look at...You yourself had no real inspiration..."Just following ther Jordan tradition" doesn't cut it...Each shoe has a story behind it...And they are a lot more in depth then that...
You shoe basically looks like an OK team shoe...Not one that we would want to see as an Air Jordan...
Proportion wise it isn't that bad...
But one thing...
You borrowed to much from the past...First you disrespect D'wayne, but then go and take his ideas and design cues from the XXI...The grey suede, and even those eyelets look like they were copied and pasted from the 21...
All in all it isn't THAT bad..Just not living up to the talk..If I had to rate it, Id give it a 4..Which I would believe would be the lowest of the finalist I rated..
I suggest to work hard with the pen and pad, but when it comes to this message board...Sit back, relax and read...Just learn... |
Brian Moughty
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| 9:11:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
And Chris to help you out.....
I can see and understand the way D'wayne reacted...What is said is def. the way I saw it too...I mean usually when I think I may have said something wrong on here, or anywhere...Im usually nervous or a little afraid I may have done somehting wrong...
But you 'laughed about it"...That kinda shows that it doesn't really matter to you and you don't care that much about your actions if you find it amusing...
I don't know to many people who would 'laugh about it"..It usually would put them in a depressed mood then a joyful one... |
ade otabor
(411)
Artist Info
| 9:13:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
chris i like your joint, i see the xxi influence in it. it does not have that element that most jordans seem to have in that it does not appear to be steps ahead of whats out now, feel me? one thing i always liked about jordans is just about every thing on them seems to ot only have a functional purpose, but thet also have style. imo that quality is missing on your design, and the coloring does not really help out your design either with all the different textures it appears quite dull and flat(what is good with the jumpman?) other than that it is good showing.
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chris carraway
(125)
| 9:16:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Brian Moughty:
a 4... dang that is low. i didnt get wild with my design because that is not how the JB has done things so i kept it as simple as possible. and i never gave any form of disrespect to D'wayne he got upset with one of my comments which was not directed towards him or anyone else directly. and the jordan xxi's were not the first athlectic shoe to use grey suede (i did not know that i would be banned from using any material that any previous jordan shoe has used) and the eye-lids i have used the same style in a lot of my shoes from back in the 90's...
but that is your comment and rating so i respect how you feel i will just do better next time. (what more can i do?) |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 9:23:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
K...Obviously you didn't listen to ANY advice that I gave you..Im sorry I commented on your design and gave you a rating...What was I thinking....
Im sorry that should DEF. be the 22!!!You and D'wayne would kill it as partners!!I wouldn't give it a 10...I think more of an 178272!!....
K hope that was a better response for you!..
X-You need to be chris' role model..Share the secret with him about change...
And chris for your sake..I pray that your only in High School... |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 9:25:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
"i didnt get wild with my design because that is not how the JB has done things so i kept it as simple as possible."
Im not even sure what to say...........
JB BRINGS SOMETHING NEW EVERY YEAR!!!and Im talking about looks here..Not only function...but STYLE too!!...DESIGN DESIGN DESIGN..... |
chris carraway
(125)
| 9:30:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
ade otabor:
thank you for a normal comment. i didnt try to be spactacular with my design i wanted to keep it simple i thought out new tech and i posted some of it a few days ago but like most jordans from the initial look at the shoes most of the tech is hidden (that what i ment by not being flashy). i am going to try to do a lot more perspectives with my Wade design to get away from that flat look. i am still kinda new at photoshop i have never taken a class yet so i have yet to learn all the secrets. But thanks to this website i am getting better at everything (just look at the drawing i posted last month... this one is a big improvement.
Thank you for your comment i hope this month's entry will show that i have been listening and learning. |
Brian Moughty
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| 9:37:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Im not sure what was wrong with my intial response...How was that not a "normal comment"?..I replied with wwhat you asked..
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chris carraway
(125)
| 9:40:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Brian Moughty:
i didnt mean it like that im not asking for a 10 or saying that i am a great designer. put it like this "all i wanted was the positive aspects of my design along with the negative" where im good at and where i need to improve. i thought that was what this is about. |
karabo anoh
(120)
Artist Info
| 9:44:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Wasup everybody, i got a problem concerning shading. Do you guys use gray pencil? bleu pencil? black? ebony pencil to shade your design? i keep tryin to find what will work for me the best but still cant find the right way of doing it. So if you got techniques or a way to shade better let me know.
Here is a drawing i made and i really dont like how it turned, maybe is the paper that i use that doesn't work with markers.
Do you use a specific kind of paper for your drawings to?
I hope someone will come with answers.
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chris carraway
(125)
| 9:49:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Brian Moughty:
it wasnt that type of laugh it was the kind when you laugh one time then shake your head and be like "he!! naw" while thinking why did you do that. It wasnt like i was making a a joke type of laugh... |
ade otabor
(411)
Artist Info
| 9:54:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
"They are a non-inspirational shoe, with nothing new or interesting to look at...You yourself had no real inspiration..."Just following ther Jordan tradition" doesn't cut it...Each shoe has a story behind it...And they are a lot more in depth then that... "
imo inspiration and the "story behind a design" are sooooo overated...if it is a hot design it will be a hot design regardless of if it was inspired or what the story is...
it can give more a lil' more meaning to the design and play a role in the development of a design, in some ways but it does not make or break a design...
chris, do you fam. there is nothing you have to prove here, if you want to be a designer put that work in. continue to have that confidence, it is important. knowing when to put that confidence in check is just as important though(something i am told designers have to do on the regular), and that will come in time, that is what they say anyway... |
chris carraway
(125)
| 9:54:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
karabo anoh:
yes there is special paper. i use marker paper but you can go to any art store and find a nice paper weight most sketch pads show what form of drawing tool it is best for. |
karabo anoh
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Artist Info
| 9:56:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Thanks chris, i'll do that |
Tony Hardman
(850)
Moderator
Artist Info
| 10:01:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Man, This board is downright ANNOYING right now.
Chris, My advice to you: Draw your arse off and don't say another word. Except maybe "thank you for the critique." You're a bruise on the KG apple right now, so just chill like everyone has been telling you to. WE'LL let you know how good you are.
-TH |
chris carraway
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| 10:10:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
ade otabor:
thanks i kinda needed that. i will continue to improve and gather better ideas and concepts. i may not be the bast designer but i am tring to get there i hype myself up to do better and always will. thats why i liked your comment it was positive with a need for improvement twist. thats how i like to be judged. if everyone said my design was great i wouldnt work as hard and if nobody liked it... well thats even worse, but it kool because this is my goal i will become one of the best footwear designers out here. in fact that should be everyones goal if not you are in the wrong field. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 10:15:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Tony Hardman:
i never ment to upset anyone with my comments but ok im good ill just work on my Wade design. |
paul boucher
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| 10:32:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Chris - You are getting better, with your designs and your comments. I just wanted to comment on how you and your buddies critique. Don't trash talk each other. Leave that for the court. They may be what you are used to, but it is not good design or business practice. You know this. You even stated that you were looking for a good critique, like the one from Ade Otabor. "thats why i liked your comment it was positive with a need for improvement twist." That is what a good critique is. Listen to TH. He has good advice. I rarely talk on here, look at my stars. I post my work, ask for advice, and then use it. I don't do a lot of hyping about my work. If I do, it is mentally, not verbally. Interalize your energy then put it on paper. "WE'LL let you know how good you are."-TH Like I said I don't talk often, but I felt I had to speak up, and I want you to know why I did it. I didn't do it to bash you, cause I could have been way more harsh, but I did it to help you. Cause as you said, that's what this site is about. Hope I gave you some good advice, and don't get discourage. Work harder, put your energy into your work, and be thankful for everyones advice and critiques.
Paul |
Ryan Holler
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Moderator
Artist Info
| 10:46:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Chris, you asked for some feedback, and when you got it, you critiqued the feedback. Amazing.
All you wanted was the "positive aspects of your design along with the negative." You've already told us that your design is "hot", so why do you need any positive feedback? You're already convinced that you're good.
I see why most of the vets here aren't wasting their time with you. I said earlier in the week that I always try to provide positive suggestions along with any negative comments. But dude, you make that very hard to do.
TRUST ME ON THIS...
The WISEST thing for you to do now is keep quiet and stay off this chat board until your WADE design is posted as a finalist next month. Do you have the patience and humility to do that?
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David Othie
(29)
Artist Info
| 10:59:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Hi everyone..
It is hard to get any attention with chris doin his thang=)... come on man.. share the spotlight=)kiddin... do ya thing..
Chris: As for ya rendering.. i would give it a 5... all the finalists up here have better renderings... i dont know if it's that u hyped up your stuff so much, that i was expecting the next coming... or that it was just kinda ordinary... i want to see something that pops out.. blows my mind off... like the lebron 3.5 that edgar vergara did.. totally insane.. will never forget when i first saw that..
Enyhows... looking forward to your wade entry..
back to my concern:
Callin out Mr. Dwayne Edwards, please have a look at my stuff and tell me what u think.
It would be hightly appreciated...
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Brian Moughty
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| 11:28:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Karabo-Very cool design... |
dallas stokes
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| 11:39:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
X MY LIL BRO: YOU MAY WANT TO SCHOOL CHRIS ON HUMILITY. YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING NOT LONG AGO. TIME FOR YOU TO REACH ONE AND TEACH ONE. AS FOR ME I HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN ON THE TOPIC AND I JUST WANT TO SAY BE VERY CAREFUL CHRIS. YOU CAN REALLY GO DOWN A ROAD YOU MAY NOT WANT TO MY FREIND.
JOE: NICE... DONT WANT TO SCARE YOU ANYMORE SO I WILL KEEP IT SHORT. |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 11:42:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Karabo- One adive for your design..I think their may be too many colors...I would changed that grey bootie, to either black or white...
Chris-Everytime I want to start something new and fresh with you..but you keep posting acting like nobody has helped you except ade...
read through everything a look how the conversation develops...Everything that you asked for I tried to provide, because I thought that is what you wanted...I said proportions were good, but I guess that wasn't goood enough...Everything you write just confuses me, because you say one thing, but then change it around...
And when you said that you have already imrpoved from your last rendering posted here..Well I looked back because I wanted to see what it was...Comming across it I was amazed how you said things...like "if you enetered you would have won the comp'...or talking to ian say " i knew that if I didn't enter, you would be the winner'...It was a horrible way to start, but you kept continuing...
And I actually feel your first design was better...It was drawn very nicely, and didn't have a whole bunch of materials pasted all over it...
ade- Yes hot designs do obviosuly work, and of course not every shoe needs a story...but a sig. shoe should, because it is "specifically engineered" for the athlete...That means they put inspiration, and thought into the designs, to really make it the player's shoe...This is especially true for Air Jordans, because he has built such a deep legacy, and the shoe needs to seperate itself from all others on the market and in the brand...That is through stories and inspirations, and meanings...Michael is the one who really provides the stories and needs, so I guess it would be his fault...And I know you wouldn't agree with that now... |
karabo anoh
(120)
Artist Info
| 12:33:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Ok i'll do that
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Xavier Rush
(194)
| 1:52:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
I see alot has been going on since I stop posting earlier.
Brian: Remember those Uptempo's came out in hella colors. But I loved my black and white pair. I actually cried when my mom told me I couldn't get the XI's because they caused an arm and a leg. But now, I have 31 pair of Air Jordans and really in the shoe game. Life is crazy sometimes.
Chris: In the next few weeks to months you will look back at this forum. And when you look back the first thing will come to mind is, "DAMN!! I sounded real stupid." That's exactly how I felt. I promise you will look back and laugh. Because at the end of the day your still trying to reach the position alot of these people are already in.
Just be careful of what you say.
P.S. If you don't believe me, go to the Jordan XXI forum from last year. You can see why Ryan doesn't like me...LOL!
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David Whetstone
(75)
Artist Info
| 2:03:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
KARABO:
As for the marker renderings and materials. I use MARKER PAPER rather than sketchbook (drawing) paper. It has a very smooth surface made specifically for marker ink. It makes the markers look great.
As you can see in my rendering, there is a "grainy" look. I use (as do most people I have talked to) only simple white/black prismacolor colored pencil over my marker. You have to be very careful with it. I did not take my time enough, but if you lay down the colored pencil carefully, it will appear smooth giving highlights or shaddows.
Also, make sure you get a good scan. I feel my final rendering lost a lot of quality in the scanning process. I have learned my lesson from this.
Obviously, I am not 100% there yet, but I really do recommend marker paper and the colored pencil technique. I feel like I am getting better already with milage. It comes pretty fast. I have only been doing marker renderings for 2 months. Just keep experimenting until you find things you like.
I hope I helped,
David |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 2:08:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
1996 Great year for the shoe game and the NBA:
SHOES
1. Jordan XI's
2. Penny 1's
3. Reebok Questions
4. Fila Grant Hill's
5. Converse Spree's
6. Fila Stackhouses
7. Zoom Flight Five
NBA ROOKIES:
1. Allen Iverson (one of my favorites ever since)
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Ray Allen
4. Steve Nash
5. Peja (Not even gonna try to spell the last name)
6. Ben Wallace
7. Marcus Camby
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ade otabor
(411)
Artist Info
| 2:13:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
"Yes hot designs do obviosuly work, and of course not every shoe needs a story...but a sig. shoe should, because it is "specifically engineered" for the athlete...That means they put inspiration, and thought into the designs, to really make it the player's shoe...This is especially true for Air Jordans, because he has built such a deep legacy, and the shoe needs to seperate itself from all others on the market and in the brand...That is through stories and inspirations, and meanings...Michael is the one who really provides the stories and needs, so I guess it would be his fault...And I know you wouldn't agree with that now..."
well...that seems to have more to do with marketing than design. not that i completely disagree with you but ask yourself why you feel that is the case? if jordan were to drop the 22 tomorrow without ads or marketing campaigns but the shoe was everything you would expect from a jordan shoe: uncompromising performance, was refined, and ultra modern style, would it be any less jordan because you did not know the inspiration/story? if they approached the design strictly from a performance point of view without reference to any physical inspirations?
what i am saying is that sometimes the design/idea itself, how it evolves, and solving the problem is the inspiration/story... |
justin taylor
(363)
Artist Info
| 2:24:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
ADE: I hear you on that, but with the design and how it develops being the story, you don't really touch the average consumer. Remember, alot of times, they, the consumer, want something they can relate to and feel they are a part of. The average consumer can';t really relate to how a shoe is made and the process of developing it. That in itself is a major reason why the Air Jordan has been so successful. People know his story and can relate to watching him and hearing stories about him. They become involved in the stories, and the shoe kinda brings it full circle.
Without the story relating to the specific athlete and only being a hot design, what separates it from being just another hot shoe? If that were indeed the case, then nothing would make it "signature" beside the fact that the player wore it. Then, that player could just wear any shoe and have that be his sig shoe. |
justin taylor
(363)
Artist Info
| 2:29:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
D'WAYNE: Here is an example of how actually being in the development process changes how you look at shoes. Now when I see shoes I think about how they were made and all that that entails. For instance, I just picked up the XXI lows, and one of the things that impressed me most about that shoe was the embossed logo on the medial side. Before I would have appreciated it, but not like I do now. That thing is so detailed! You guys even got his fingers and shoe laces in there, and it's on a textured leather no less! Quite impressive. Bravo. |
Wayne Russell
(355)
Artist Info
| 3:18:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Karabo: I've started using 67ib. bristol cover stock because the marker doesn't bleed on it as much as the regular multipurpose paper. As for the markers, i like chartpak..prismas dry up to quickly and they seem not to blend as well. Tria Letraset markers aren't bad.
You want shading advice? hmmm..why not check out some of the past finalist?...look at some of the old renderings by Tom Rushbrook and guys like that...study how they shade. That's what I did...you gotta help yourself when it comes to this site( so it seems) But anyway.. this whole site is a resource for you. use it as best as you can...and keep asking questions...maybe they'll answer, maybe they won't..but at least you but it out there.
speaking of questions...I asked about the notches on the insole and nobody has a answer except Tony? I don't understand how everyone got wrapped up on the "everybody hates Chris" thing? lol.
watch, a year from now we're is going to be praisng Chris Carraway for his miraculous change in attitude...he'll be next years Xavier( much respect young fella) ...he'll come back...improve his renderings, say all the right things...and best of all he'll remain in our memories...much like Xavier...it's almost a catch 22(a Jordan catch xxii that is...lol)...if he didn't talk trash we wouldn't know his name but if he did talk thrash we would be aggrovated by him...there's ur catch 22...oh well, it's not the best self marketing campaign but hey where else can he go but up?
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Wayne Russell
(355)
Artist Info
| 3:19:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Chris: I not going to use any cliches or try to embrass you any further but it's not "eye-lids"? it's eyelets. And the tip of the lace is called the aglet...ha. don't say I never taught you anything.
but anyway, brush yourself off...take a breath..think about what everyone has told you( over and over again) and figure what it is you have to do to get better. I know it seems like everyone is against but some of them are trying to help you...let them.
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Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 3:23:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
On kicksology.com, I find an interview starring D. Edwards and Prof K. Everything he said it's real! take a look!
EXPECTATION
Having an enjoyable career being artistic is not just limited to creating "works of art."
Everything around us needs to be designed.
Everything around us can be improved by an innovative thinker or creative artist.
EXPLORATION
Study as many different types of artistic methods, mediums and styles as you can.
Do not limit yourself in your friends and contacts, but be open to give and receive from all people.
TRAVEL. Become a sponge to your environment.
EXAMINATION
Create something that "makes a statement."
Keep challenging your art and work at improving.
Seek out your purpose in life and your place in this world.
Once you get a vision, pursue it with all of your heart.
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Xavier Rush
(194)
| 3:28:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Wayne: LOL!! There will never be another Xavier. The thing that is different from Chris and I is I never criticized anyone. I was just hard-headed on sponging advice. |
ade otabor
(411)
Artist Info
| 4:02:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
right, right. you put that very well justin, i just wanted to try to give a another way of looking at it. in mj's book driven within, tinker talks about taking the strictly performance appraoch with the ivs... |
sarah w
(168)
Artist Info
| 7:48:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
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sarah w
(168)
Artist Info
| 8:04:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
hey guys, this was my submission for this theme. hopefully the design speaks! it was sort of a comparison of MJ and the black widow spider. the spider being lethal, as is MJ's game. Plus the colors were naturally apropriate. on the right are prelim sketches/designs.. let me know what you guys think!
thanks
sarah |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 8:34:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Sarah, where's your design?
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Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 11:00:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Someone here can tell me more about Prof K? thanks..
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Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 11:02:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
This design is making by my favourite pencil..always on time when you need it....this is a gift by a NBA player... |
paul boucher
(143)
| 11:27:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Othie Othie - I like your design and inspiration. I can really see the motorcross boot influence in your design. I don't know how well it fits as a Jordan sig shoe, but would make a mean Jordan football cross trainer. I would check your proportions. And try to blend your high-lights a little smoother. I really like the look of the design. Visually it is really appealing, just needs some work on the rendering. Over all really nice. One more thing, what is the protrusion on the heel of the shoe? It sticks out kind of far. Could you clear this up for me.
Everyone Else - I will comment on your shoes later this after noon when I have more time. Sorry about getting carried away with the Chris thing. I will get back to the real things today, like critiquing.
Paul |
karabo anoh
(120)
Artist Info
| 11:54:00 AM Sunday, July 16, 2006
David Whetstone: That's cool, i really appreciate the time, thanks. Do you work for a company or are you a college student like me? i need to stay in touch with people that have the same passion. Good luck u gona need it |
johnny szabo
(889)
Artist Info
| 12:50:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Wayne, Id say the answer to your question is probably to stop the insole from moving around. I had problems like that with my 7th answers. Nice job Othie, I like it definetly something new. Maybe a bit too bulky for a basketball shoe. Oh and Wayne sorry, but what are eyelets? Sarah your pic doesnt work. Joseph, Im just learning to get proportions right and its hard although yoou get better and better every time. I think your proportions are off on that shoe, you can read about Prof. K on kicksology.com |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 1:11:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Sorry about the proportions...but these are my old designs....since 1999..I'm 14 at this time... Now I'm 21...and nobody learn me how design...I think..I see..and I draw..Now..I'm tryin' to do my best...don't worried about the proportions..
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johnny szabo
(889)
Artist Info
| 1:40:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Looks better Joseph. Oh i forgot tocongratute Dwyne, mazing job on the 2 lows! Probbly my favourite lows ever! |
David Whetstone
(75)
Artist Info
| 1:43:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Karabo.
Just a student. I have 2 years left. Of course the dream is athletic footwear, but I love design so much. There are quite a few other things that really intrigue me. Hopefully in these next two years I will be able to really focus on something.
Good luck to you too.
David |
dwayne edwards
(179)
| 2:19:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Thanks for the compliments but for the record Jason Mayden designed the XX1 Low...
JUSTIN:Drop me an email next week I might some more size 16 player exclusives for you.
JOESPH DUMARY:You have some interesting ideas but your proportions are off. Why don't you use KARABO design as a template to make sure you have the right shape and repost your concepts.
PAUL:I will send you an email next week.
D
D |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 2:40:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Thanks D'wayne Edwards, I'm on it now! |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 3:51:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
sarah-Your design isn't showing..
Joseph-I think you have some pretty cool designs, but I see some similarities in them...Maybe more of a variety...It almost looks like a lot of them are evolved forms...
D'wayne-Are you going to be in your office this week? So I could call? |
karabo anoh
(120)
Artist Info
| 4:03:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
dwayne edwards and everybody else that know a lot about it:
I was thinking about going to portland this christmas break so that i can see how designers from nike work.
Is it possible that i can come and be able to visit Jordan brand headquarter to0 or do i need an appointment?
Just another question, how many design do i need to present during an interview?does it all have to be done in photoshop, really clean etc...
Can i send you some of the design i've done lately so that i can get some feedback on it?
Could somebody tells me what happened when they went for an interview? how many design they've presented and what kind of design was in their portfolios?
i'm so confused right now, too much work to do or maybe i need to be focus and work only in one direction.( sketch, pencil and markers rendering and final presentation)
Do i need to draw also for all my shoes an exploded view?
Put different colorway?
Can i also include concepts even if they look totally impossible? |
David Othie
(29)
Artist Info
| 4:07:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Johnny: thanx man.. keep hearing that they look bulky.. i guess i took my ideas tooo far, and got away from a performance shoe..
Paul: Thanx for ya comments.. i guess i'm the only one who sees a basketball shoe in them.. i think a jordan shoe could pull that design off.. but hey.. a jordan crosstrainer aint that bad either.. as for the proportions, i'm not quite sure where i go wrong.. i think i'm in love with the sharp-edged pointy toebox and bulky lace area..
u are right bout the highligts.. i got lazy.. it was late.. The rendering is where i get stuck.. i dont know how to improve.. i'm a noob coming to that... trying to use the computer.. but not gettin the results i want..
Anyhows.. u have any renderings i can have a look at to see how u do it?
I quickly reshaped my drawing to be less "booty".. for u guys to see if i'm on the right track.. what u think?
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johnny szabo
(889)
Artist Info
| 7:03:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
NIce job Othie, little changes but big difference I actually really like this one. |
paul boucher
(143)
| 7:54:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
Othie - Looks a lot better. I think on the proportion side of things, the toe looks fine. I think it’s the angle where the tongue tapers to the toe. It needs to have more of a curve that way it is not so wide from the mid sole to the top of the middle of your foot.
On the rendering; do you have Illustrator? Or do you just use Photoshop? I would be glad to give you some help. Just let me know what you would like to know, and if I can help I will.
Paul
P.S. Dwayne, thanks.
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Xavier Rush
(194)
| 11:37:00 PM Sunday, July 16, 2006
It's good to see everyone on a good note.
D'WAYNE: I was looking back and I apologize about last year and Harold Miner. Maybe it would've been good to see him around the NBA longer. His dunks were ahead of their time.
Check this video out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSe8uK7p7Oo&search=17th%20greatest%20dunk |
Ian Gale
(382)
Artist Info
| 1:09:00 AM Monday, July 17, 2006
DE..What's good? This industry is smaller than i thought. I emailed u by the way.
everyone: check out this link..some vintage MJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-f_P2BWKqw&search=greatest%20dunk%20of%20all%20time
this is probably my favorite dunk of all time..check out MJ's expression at the end..
in my opinion, D Wade is probably the closest one to being the next Jordan in terms of on-court success and off-court marketability..
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johnny szabo
(889)
Artist Info
| 11:12:00 AM Monday, July 17, 2006
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johnny szabo
(889)
Artist Info
| 11:17:00 AM Monday, July 17, 2006
This is my rendering, well not really cause there isnt a working scanner here and I dont have photoshop. So I took a pic. You just have to imagine a J logo on the big white part. What really considers me is if I got the proportions right cause I want to learn my fundamentals well! The shoe itself, a phylon midsole, IPS, a phylon rap for extra support, a huge CF plate, exposed Air in the heel. A halfway covered up lacebed, that can be opened and has a strap like the VC 5. And a TPU plate in the heel. Thanx for any feedback! Escpecially the proportions! |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 11:46:00 AM Monday, July 17, 2006
Johnny, I don't have a working scanner...I don't have Photoshop...Illustrator..or others.. I don't have "one " design software...I took pictures, like you did.I have a pencil( colors too), a pen, papers, felt tip pen...and thatz all...
For your proportions, D'wayne tells me that I better use "Karaboh design" as a template...because in my olds designs, the proportions are off...so do it..ok someone else will tell you more about. |
David Othie
(29)
Artist Info
| 12:12:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Paul: I think I get what you're talking bout with the slant/curve of the shoe.. i guess that for this design I just wanted it to look "booty"... i guess it doesn't translate too well to a sleek performance shoe..
What do you think of this my first rendering of the jordan22? shape?
Still as u see.. i want to learn shading, colouring and textures.. not the principles, but more like different methods to get good results.. ultimately, i would like to get as photorealistic renderings as possible, but not using 3D..
I am actually using Jasc Paint Shop... but I think it's the latest version.. it just happened to be like that cause I'm familiar with it and i've heard that it basically does what Photoshop does.. or am missing out?
Also, what does Illustrator do?
Johnny: Liking your drawing, but i would like to see alittle more of a toespring, and a smaller instep, but then again, I am biased=)
Have a look at my rendering below,I think it has a more conventional shape, that wont rub people the wrong way as my first one did...
There is also a template that one of the Jordan designers made somewhere on the net. I'll try and look it up... or if someone has it just post.
Enyhows.. how are my proportions?
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Brian Moughty
(378)
| 1:04:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Othie- I like this one better, and has more of a basketball sneaker feel...One thing about your actual design..Remember MJ likes a clean toe.. |
johnny szabo
(889)
Artist Info
| 1:04:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Thanx for the feedback, whats Karaboh design supposed to mean? Othie thats pretty nice, kinda reminds me of a mizture of the 1.5 and the 14, but good job. |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 1:21:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Karabo Anoh design..Jordan 22 up in here |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 2:09:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Doopy "Dumary" Simple DE
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Brian Moughty
(378)
| 2:17:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Joseph- What exactly is "doopy".....
Btw great job on the newest... |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 2:21:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Doopy is my Nickname...The name on my basketball jersey in my club. |
karabo anoh
(120)
Artist Info
| 2:29:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Joseph Dumary: is this one of your latest design or are u still showing us the old one?
i lke the way you put the colors, they look so soft.
what kind of pencil or paper do you use, i think u said something like your favorite one( pen or pencil).
what school are you going to? hope it is not too much to ask |
karabo anoh
(120)
Artist Info
| 2:30:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Joseph Dumary: how do you shade? using black pencil or ??? |
karabo anoh
(120)
Artist Info
| 2:38:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Brian Moughty: Are u a student? just wanna know because you guyz know a lot about athletic footwear design here.
Did ever do an internship for a company? i'll like to know
Im a student going to the Art institutes of philadelphia but i wanna transfer to the Art Center.
What do you think about this school? |
Tony Hardman
(850)
Moderator
Artist Info
| 3:50:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Doopy- Excellent improvement! see the difference proportions can make? Great job man. -TH |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 4:19:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Karabo- I just graduated HS..And will be attending school at Wentworth in Boston, to study Industrial Design..I have just be fascninated and had a love for sneakers since about 3rd grade with my XII, and since then have been drawing, readsing, visiting websites and talking with proffesionals, so I have learned a lot over the years...
I actuallly looked at schools in Philly, including the art institute, but didn't apply to it...I did however apply to Philadelphia University, where I was accepted, and Wentworth and Philly where my 2 final choices...After a couple of visits I went with Wentworth, because something about me just appealed to the area and I felt comfortable, really like it...Also a lot of my friends from HS will also be in Boston, some of my best RIGHT next to me at Northeastern...So internships so far...No, but I plan on, because there is a co-op program at Wentworth where you must do that..So I think rbk, new balnace, and converse are up that way, so that would be sweet if I could get one with one of them... |
Ruben Alejandro
(41)
| 5:16:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
hey umm, will they only submit designs that are from photo art shop in the final thing? , because i only do it on paper , help me out |
Ryan Holler
(1145)
Moderator
Artist Info
| 5:24:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Doopy, I agree with Tony... yet again. |
preston parris
(1)
| 5:27:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
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karabo anoh
(120)
Artist Info
| 5:53:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Brian Moughty: i went to boston a couple of years ago and i really like it, i felt also confortable. Philly is.... maybe i'll say fine but not that fine.
Good luck with your study over there. |
David Othie
(29)
Artist Info
| 7:55:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Brian: Yeah, i remember reading that MJ likes a clean toe on here.. that's why i scratched this one...
That and because for some reason it just looked like a mix between the melos and 14's like johnny said..
Joseph "Doopy": Man, those are sweet!!! the shading and colouring skillz you have are awesome.. that pic really shows it off.. props! |
johnny szabo
(889)
Artist Info
| 8:18:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Nice job Doopy, really good shading! Anyone any opinions on mine?? Is it that bad, at least tell me what you think about the proportions cause Id really like to learn as much as possible! Thanks in advance! |
Rich Benares
(644)
| 8:55:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Johnny: First off, quit concentrating on rendering and just draw shoes. Draw Draw Draw. Get the overall feel of how a shoe is shaped and how it relates to the foot, then you can progress into rendering your shoe. Right now, practice on your proportions and your sketching. That is the best i can give you right now, because the way your shoe is shaped right now, it looks like whoevers wearing it has feet shaped like they got run over by Shaq and Oliver Miller fighting over a hot plate!
R1ch |
joe sattler
(77)
Artist Info
| 9:34:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Brian!- Last year was my freshman year at Mass College of art which is right next to Wentworth! Boston is sweet!
We should meet up when school starts. |
joe sattler
(77)
Artist Info
| 9:34:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Brian!- Last year was my freshman year at Mass College of art which is right next to Wentworth! Boston is sweet!
We should meet up when school starts. |
johnny szabo
(889)
Artist Info
| 9:58:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Thanx and pls comment more whoever can. Does anyone from this board live near Toronto? |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 10:55:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Joe- Niceee...I actually looked at their too..but at the time it was a little to "arsty" for me...(later that year, I discovered that I could paint ha...and it seemed a little intimidating...Plus I think the lady that talked to everyone said something like "we don't want to see anymore shoe or bike drawings in portfolio's"...But ya its like right across the street right?...It seems pretty sick how so many colleges are right by each other, especially in that area..Can't wait..Ive only heard good things.. |
dwayne edwards
(179)
| 11:40:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
JOESPH:Much better but you still need to work on your proportions. Take your time and put a shoe in front of you and try your best to make it look as real as possible and take into consideration every small shape/curve.
D |
Lei Wang
(267)
| 11:43:00 PM Monday, July 17, 2006
Johnny, I am in Toronto. |
dylan silvan
(3)
| 12:31:00 AM Tuesday, July 18, 2006
Heres mine it kinda sucks but wutever.
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dylan silvan
(3)
| 12:32:00 AM Tuesday, July 18, 2006
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