Andre de Lore
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| 8:29:00 AM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
JOE IM you are amazing!
you delivered an exceptional rendering and you went that extra step further with fifferent colourways and a real nice logo
all the best in the future |
Bruno Santos
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| 9:35:00 AM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
Among all of the seen drawings notice strong and characteristic personalities own, consequently originating a good work. |
joe im
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| 9:57:00 AM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
Thanks KG for including my design! |
Pietro Pellicelli
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| 12:10:00 PM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
Joe:
your design is very good. I love the perspective study from variuos angles. The rendering is also very good as lighting and overall feel.
The one thing that hurts my eyes in the lateral views is the forefoot toebox shape that seems slightly big and kinda slows down the shoe. The perspectical views looks great on that point, so I think it is just the lateral view shape.
Another thing I would change is the hidden midsole at the heel...I think exposed midsole would better match your design.
Finally I appreciate the fact that your shoe is simple but not extremely simple, so it has a well defined personality.
Ciaoooo |
joe im
(82)
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| 12:20:00 PM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
Thanks for some good feedback Pietro. I think the toe looks big because I wanted the patent leather area to cover some of the midfoot as well. In hindsight, I don't know if this would be the most comfortable or functional solution. |
arpith siromoney
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| 1:58:00 PM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
joe, i actually kinda like the big toe.. it relates more to the plane i feel than a sleek shoe would.. besides looking more unconventional (just like the plane) it also brings to mind how different the stealth fighter's design is from other planes. pure beauty. im fallin in love with your shoe man- 9 |
CAMINOTTO FRANSERGIO
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| 3:26:00 PM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
dwayne edwards
My name is Fransergio Caminotto.
I am from brazil. I live in the city of Franca, interior of the state of São Paulo.
I work with development of shoes to 2 years. I am designer of shoes and planner of having soled. I am formed in graphic design.
I am 33 years old. I already accomplished several projects for it elaborates of Brazilian shoes.
ok.
Excuse my bad English
Thank you |
johnny szabo
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| 4:49:00 PM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
Woah things have set off on this board. A designers day seems kinda cool. What I was wondering what degree do you have to have? Do you have to have absolutely outstanding drawing skills and/or computer skills to make it? And what else do you need? Thanks. |
Tony Hardman
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| 6:04:00 PM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
Johnny: Your THINKING skills are what will set you apart in this business IMO. You just have to be able to draw or use the computer well enough to show others your ideas and get them to buy into them. |
johnny szabo
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| 6:14:00 PM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
Thanx Tony, but what kind of thinking skills? Like puuting new technologies into shoes? Or the ideas shoes are inspired by? |
Tony Hardman
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| 7:23:00 PM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
Johnny: It depends on where you work. Right now, graphics are more important for my company than patterns or performance. So creating new logos and graphics and ways to apply them is the challenge or "problem" to be solved. At a performance company you are talking about how to make footwear work better for the foot. Making the pattern fresh, functional and appealing to your demographic. In a lot of the performance driven companies, there is a seperate team that creates the new technologies and brings them to you to implement into the design. But the more ideas you have, the more valuable you are. Bottom line. So Keep pushing in every area! -TH |
dwayne edwards
(179 )
| 11:33:00 PM Tuesday, July 11, 2006
FRANSERGIO:Have you thought about contacting Nike Brazil? They have a Design office out your way.
JUSTIN:Thanks for reminding me how fun what we do is.
TONY:I feel your pain.
D
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Ian Gale
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| 12:39:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Joe: I must say that the Stealth colorway is just Bananas! i know i wud definitely rock a pair of those. is that durabuck at the heel? combined wit the patent leather at the vamp..its simple yet sophisticated. good attention to detail bro..i gave u a 9
DE: did u ever get a chance to check out last month's King James vs Crazy 8 Artist Series? If u get a chance, check out my entry and give me your honest feedback. thanks |
Ian Gale
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| 12:41:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
that was not meant to be a personal plug..lol |
pio salas
(14)
| 12:49:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
..DWAYNE EDWARDS...
i have a lot of jordan sneaker drawings and i want your feedback....is there anywhere were i could send them to you?..i would appreciate it.thanks |
Ryan Holler
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| 1:19:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Pio, that's the third or fourth time you've posted that. His silence is speaking to you. It's time to try something new...
Post 2 or 3 of your sketches here, along with your email address and see if he'll contact you. Dude is not going to put his email address on this chat board. Can you imaging his inbox the next day? |
dwayne edwards
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| 1:38:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Thanks RYAN..
PIO:Why don't you post "1" here and I will let you know what I think.
IAN:First of all your proportions are tight. Good job. Secondly, it looks like a real shoe that someone could actually wear. Meaning you did not do some crazy drawing. You actually DESIGNED this shoe. Third, I like your rendering skills because you did not over do it. You used rendering the way it should be used, as a tool to enhance a good design instead of using it to make the design. For instance JOE IM, if you were to apply IAN's rendering skills/style your design would come to life even more. Overall, IAN I think you have a solid design but I think you could have pushed your design more. Even though what you did was good it did not take me into any new places. You guys on this board do not have the restrictions that I do and I expect you all to push your designs more. Lead all of us watching in new places/directions. Try to do things that have not been done before or try to make those things that have been done before better. Yes, I know this is easier said than done but this is what you need to do in order to become better Designers. You can design and you have all of the fundamental things down now you just have to work on your creativity.
D |
dwayne edwards
(179)
| 1:39:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
JOE:Very good use of the STEALTH theme. I have followed your designs for a while now and you are lacking a few fundamental things:
1.Were are your laces?
2.You are using the computer too much. Can you draw freehand? The reason I asked is because your designs lack that personal feel. Meaning your corners are not rounded, your stitching does not look real, your overlays are not there. Study IAN's Rendering from last month and you will see what I am saying. If, it helps put a real shoe in front of you when you are drawing and make sure you capture EVERY detail and shape. Redraw your XX2 with this focus and I bet you it will look much better. You have talent but you have to be more discipline with your drawing style.
Hope that helped?
D |
Tony Hendrix
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| 2:43:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Xavier, Alabama has 1 pretty good school in Auburn U.
I completed my undergraduate education at AU. It isn't too expensive compared to CCS & other top tier design schools. I would also say it's one of the more respected state programs in ID.
Ultimatley it's not just the program, but your dedication & desire that will take U to the next level. there are alternate routes as well, and I'm sure there are others on this board who have made it without a BS or BA.
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Tony Hendrix
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| 3:01:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
DE is providing some nice feedback.
Just think about all the shoe companies in the states, all the brands, all the design teams, all the designers, from junior, to senior, to manager, to director, and We can probably count on 1 hand how many of these guys provide regular feedback, and show enough interest to even critique here.
Much love 2 you guys, and U know who u are!
No examples needed D. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 4:53:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
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Joseph Dumary
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| 4:56:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
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Joseph Dumary
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| 5:22:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Air jordan XXII artists contest commencent bien, en effet, les designs sont bien, surement, on va le montrer sur l'un des livres de basket, tels Sole collector, 5 majeur ou autres...J'ai dejà envoyé mon air jordan XXII, j'espère qu'on le mettra sur le site. Allez les gars..continuent!! |
Joseph Dumary
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| 5:24:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
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CAMINOTTO FRANSERGIO
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| 6:25:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
dwayne edwards
THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION.
I WILL TRY CONTACT WITH NIKE BRAZIL
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
Angelo Jay Tanguilig
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| 7:15:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
JOE: to be honest the first time i saw your design i didn't really like it... but after seeing it a number of times it has grown on me... possibly because they remind me of so many of those jordans that defined "jordan"... i see the II's, the VI's, VII's, XI's, XIX's in your design... that could be my only peeve because the design seems that it could have been released 5 years ago... when i think of jordan im thinking of that next step that jordan is going to release... no doubt i love the design... i can see the "art" of your shoe... actually... if these ever came out... i'd copp a pair myself... but i also agree with pietro that an exposed midsole might have been better... overall, job well done |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 7:32:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Here is one of my designs...with my favourite pencil...
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Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 7:45:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Help me to find a design school guys, because in France, it's very difficult to find it, like we find in USA.. and I need your help to make the good choice because, I draw shoes since I was 13 and now, I'm 21, I want to be like many of designers that I know on this site... thanks for your help.. |
Pietro Pellicelli
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| 8:40:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Joe Im:
Just compared your design shape with the proportion samples provided over the internet by JB designers Jason Mayden and Mike Di Tullo.
As you can see the two proportion samples are slightly different but both of them are thinner at forefoot than your design. Also the base of ankle line is more curved than yours.
I believe that using a more percise shaping your design could really take off! :)
Ciaooo
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Ian Gale
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| 9:42:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Thanks DE...ur feedback really inspires me to dig deeper.
i know we have the freedom to be more creative here than if we worked for lets say, JB, but I design for the demographic..i havent quite mastered the "love me or hate me" technique, skilfully employed by most JB designers. |
joe im
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| 9:56:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Thanks DE, I'm on it!!! |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 10:29:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Tony Hen: Do you still go to Auburn? If so, when will be the next time you'll be in Montgomery? |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 11:25:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
...Hey..you tell me nothing! |
Angelo Jay Tanguilig
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| 11:32:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
joseph: i'm not from the usa... actually canada... like you i've been doing this thing since i was young... probably started when i was 8 or something... anyways... im sure there are lots of schools for you to choose from you just have to research them and go see for yourself if the school meets your thirst for design... are u plannig to move to the states or stay in europe? |
Angelo Jay Tanguilig
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| 11:36:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
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Tony Hardman
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| 11:53:00 AM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
DE: Thanks, but don't worry....I DO get to work on patterns when I get home. LOL. I had no idea I was a graphic artist! |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 12:18:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
It's funny how everyone is trying to get a deal like it's the music industry. Just come here for guidance guys. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 12:26:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Xavier Rush: I FEEL YOU I AM STILL NEW TO THIS SITE AND I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN AS MUCH AS I CAN BEING THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE THAT I HAVE HAD THE COMPANY OF FELLOW FOOTWEAR DESIGNERS. I HAVE A WAYS TO GO BEFORE I AM READY FOR THAT LEAP!! |
justin taylor
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| 12:42:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
D'Wayne: Fun? With shoes? Nah, couldn't be.
Xavier providing some more good advice. |
andrew trautmann
(50)
| 12:47:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Pietro Pellicelli has posted the BEST feedback ive ever seen. that was great man. i applaud you. |
Pietro Pellicelli
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| 12:57:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Joseph:
I believe your rendering skills using "your favourite pencil" are pretty good, shades and enlighted parts are made the right way. The shapes and details you design are original.
The thing you need absolutely to improve is the proportions of your shoes that at this time don't match the real shape of a foot.
As an exemple, for your lateral views, you can use the proportion guidelines i've used in my previous post to overlap Joe Im's design.
Without a proper shape you are not able to place the structural and aesthetical elements of the shoe in the correct position.
Shoe proportions are very important, so try to get more familiar with them!
It will take you some time but your designs will improve a lot!!!
Ciaooo |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 12:59:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Everyone: I've been doing some research and if you get into industrial design in college that can be very beneficial. You'll learn how to design and construct products besides shoes. When you show a footwear company your portfolio, they will look for more than just shoes. Other designs can help. Maybe from cars to landscapes. They want to know if your skills can expand more than just shoes. And getting into industrial design you will learn the different design aspects from automobiles to toasters. Not only you will design but you will build also. And that will benefit you in the long run.
Just a thought.
Tony Hen: I may consider Auburn, I really can't be too far from home. I have to help take care of the family. Parents divorced, so now I gotta be the man of the house. Ya Feel Me! |
chris carraway
(125)
| 1:00:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
YOU KNOW MOST FOOTWEAR DESIGNERS ARE NEVER AROUND OTHER PEOPLE WITH SIMILAR INTEREST AND BEING THAT MOST OF US HAVE TAUGHT OURSELVES ALMOST EVERYTHING LIKE MYSELF AND FEEL THAT WE ARE READY FOR THE INDUSTRY BASED ON HOW YOU EVOLVED FROM WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED. ALTHOUGH MANY OF YOUR RENDERINGS MAY BE NICE IN YOURS AND MANY OTHER PEOLPES EYES THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT CANNOT BE LEARNED ON YOUR OWN OR EVEN IN SCHOOL FOR THAT MATTER. SOME THINGS ARE BETTER LEARNED FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOW OR ARE SPECIFICLY FOCUSED IN THAT AREA. THIS IS WHERE THIS SITE IS BENIFETIAL ITS LIKE AN ONLINE CLASS THAT YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR. THIS IS MY OPINION.. |
dallas stokes
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| 1:07:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
GREAT OBSERVATION CHRIS, HOWEVER GOING TO SCHOOL MAKES YOU FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND. YOU CAN GET ON THE JOB TRAINING AS I DID FOR YEARS, ONCE AGAIN I ALWAYS LACKED THAT ABILITY TO FINISH DESIGNS TIGHTER BECAUSE I WASNT FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND. IT MADE THE LEARNING CURVE A LITTLE HARDER. I BELEIVE THAT TALENT WILL ONLY GET YOU SO FAR, BUT KNOWLEDGE WILL GET YOU EVERYWHERE.
ITS KIND OF THE SAME ARGUMENT ABOUT HIGHSCHOOL NBA KIDS GOING STRAIGHT TO THE LEAGUE. EVERYONE THAT DID IT STRUGGLED A LITTLE HARDER. |
joe crawford
(1)
| 1:12:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
hey
i`m new to the site and am wondering what programs to use for renderings.
thanks
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Wayne Russell
(355)
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| 1:14:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Sorry to get off topic but are there any tennis players here? I have a few questions about outsole wear and toe drag.
if you can provide any info..or even pics of old shoes..that would really help me to prove or disprove some concepts. if not, it's cool.
benzo8one@hotmail.com
Thanks. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 1:30:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Thanks PIETRO, Now I work on this...thank you so much!!! |
mina domoro
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| 1:42:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
I'm new to this board, is there people here that design women shoes? |
dwayne edwards
(179)
| 1:54:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
DALLAS:Great point. I did not go to school for design. Everything I learned was from others that had done it before me. When I got my shot waaaaay back in 1989, I was was the ultimate sponge and I still am to this day because I don't know everything and there are people I can learn from. I have learned a few things from some of you on this board. That is why I stress to be a sponge because you never know who can or will teach you something.
Now, I am not saying going to school is not a good thing. If you have the opportunity you should definately go. My mother did not have the money so I was not Blessed with that opportunity but if you are please go.
CHRIS:You are also right that this is like FREE training all of you are getting. The things you guys are getting on this site you would not learn in school. I am sure people would pay good money to get feed the way you guys are eating from the folks who drop knowledge on you.
XAVIER:I also never thought I would say these words to you either. I am impressed. Keep up the transformation bruh...
JUSTIN:If they only knew how fun this was it would make them want to do this even more. Don't get me wrong you do have to do A LOT of work and I am reminded everyday how Blessed I am when I see the people outside cleaning my window of my 4th floor office. That could be me.
TONY:Ha, Ha, I hear. I know you might not see it now but everything you are learning there will make you a much better Designer when you get here. Not to mention it will also make you appreciate this place even more when you get here. Also, I will be in LA the week of 8/1-8/8, me you and DALLAS should connect for lunch or dinner.
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Ian Gale
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| 2:12:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
I remember when i was still in college n i told my professors I wanted to design shoes as a career...they gave me that look like i was crazy!
after they saw my passion n determination, they started supporting me.
industrial design is a good foundation for athletic shoe design, but u learn more on ur own. i spent hours upon hours browsing KG.com and the old kicksology.net, collecting SLAM and Kicks magazines and the one book that all shoe heads must have in their collection..
Sole Provider
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Tony Hardman
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| 2:22:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
DE: "when I get there"....lol....so it is assumed then! Haha. Just kidding. I have much to learn and do before I can crack Lisa's armor. But thanks for the vote of confidence. See you in August. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 2:28:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
A new design by Dumary aka Doopy
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justin taylor
(363)
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| 2:40:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Tony: I hear you on that. Lisa is one tough cookie. After talking to her, I felt like I had no shot, but it was good motivation to make me work harder. It sounded like she wouldn't even look at my stuff since it wasn't attached to an ID degree and/or I had no experience. |
dallas stokes
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| 3:07:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
JT:DIDO J, I SEEN BOUNCERS AT HOLLYWOOD CLUBS EASIER TO GET PAST THAN LISA!!! MAD RESPECT TO HER THOUGH.
DE: LET ME KNOW THE TIME AND PLACE AND I WILL BE THERE AN HOUR EARLY. |
dwayne edwards
(179)
| 3:27:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
JUSTIN/TONY:When the time comes for both of you guys let me handle it. I will make sure you guys are ready and I will make sure the right people see your work.
DALLAS:Cool, does the "Jet Strip" still have good Hot Wings or do you know of a better spot??? |
justin taylor
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| 3:36:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
D'Wayne: Cool, thanks for the continued guidance, as there is still much for me to learn. |
Tony Hendrix
(161)
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| 3:48:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Xavier, I feel you. I finished AU a few yrs ago. You should look into it. Professor Lau is an excellent instructor, and knows the PD business.
I hope you have built a portfolio. I'm not sure of the entrance requirements, but there is always a way. |
Ventsislav Nikolov
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| 3:52:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Wayne : Try this stuff here , it's about adidas Barricade , could be useful for you . Lilnk : http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/features/B4history.htm
Also you can check for history of other shoes that are out there , it's up ot you to decide what will worth it . Ole ! |
Ventsislav Nikolov
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| 3:57:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
These .pdf files here could be useful too ... Link:
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/LC/shoeanatomy.html
Hope it will help . Ole ! |
paul boucher
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| 4:27:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Ventsislav Nikolov - Hey man, I really appreciate those likes. Really cool. Thanks.
Paul |
ade otabor
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| 5:06:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
"I remember when i was still in college n i told my professors I wanted to design shoes as a career...they gave me that look like i was crazy!"
hahaha, so i was not he only one...sometimes i still get the confused look when i tell people i am into footwear design.
question: would some be able to school me on the techpacks, i have seen them and have general idea how their done but what level of detail does the designer expected to exhibit on these? like specifically the outsoles?
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David Whetstone
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| 5:20:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Hello.
I have been following, but I may have missed a few things.
For those of you already out in the design world:
Some of you had mentioned you had a hard time getting your stuff out. I have 2 years until I finish up at Ohio State. We have only had one product class so far, so I do not feel I am ready to be sending work out, but I think I have to start thinking about it. Could you talk about some of the things that were or were not successful? I.E. Types of renderings, how much process you showed, layout, anything really.
Justin: I remember a while back you posted that dinosaur on NT. I specifically remember emailing you because it deserved EXTRA praise. I think I may have a copy saved on my desktop. Also, it sounds like your degree was not ID. I think you may have said something about graphic design. How has the crossover process been?
For all: I have extra time to take some minors. I am deciding between business, textiles and clothing, art, or I may just take some video/web design classes. What do you all think would be the most helpful for an industrial designer.
Thanks so much for the help. Reading this board has been a blast.
David
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Ian Gale
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| 5:32:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Ade...i still get that look too
I usually get teased or that "u're crazy" look when i explain to people why i tattooed the word "kicksology" on my left forearm. |
Ian Gale
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| 5:33:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
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Ian Gale
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| 5:34:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
KG Staff: Sorry...delete that
y did it upload so big?
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Wayne Russell
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| 6:08:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Vents: Thanks alot for the link...I've been on the tenniswarehouse site a few times these past couple of weeks and still managed to miss that. I appreciate the help. |
ade otabor
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| 6:12:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
ian that is wild!
"Some of you had mentioned you had a hard time getting your stuff out. I have 2 years until I finish up at Ohio State."
david, even though you may feel you are not ready start getting stuff out anyway!!! that was probably my biggest mistake. as a student you are not expected to have flawless work, i know that you feel you do not know enough or you will do much better work later, but in design experience is VERY important! and the more you have the better you look (the big name school students have 4-6 internships before they leave school and you are competing with them) and so you DO NOT want to wait on this, because you never know what someone will see in your work. in some cases you might get some feedback from potential employers...
that being said you want to be able to represent yourself well and show your thinking process. i cant speak to success, but generally things like showing sketching, insights, and detailing and then having some misc. sketches and renders is a good way to go...there are many ways to put a portfolio together check out these links (if you have not before) for examples:
www.coroflot.com
http://www.styleportfolios.com/searchresults.php
"For all: I have extra time to take some minors. I am deciding between business, textiles and clothing, art, or I may just take some video/web design classes. What do you all think would be the most helpful for an industrial designer."
depends on what you want to do and how rounded of a designer you want to become...if you are pretty sure designing kicks is your end goal textiles might be the best direction to hit up for a minor. the other stuff imo may not be as DIRECTLY applicable to design but would still likely be very useful indirectly |
justin taylor
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| 6:16:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
DAVID: Yup, I remember that stuff about the t-rex, that was definately me. I experienced the same thing some of the other guys are talking about when I was saying that I wanted to design footwear when I was in college. My instructors thought it was cool, but really had no idea how to help me get things done the way they needed to be done. People really thought I was crazy after they saw that t-rex. One of the guys in my class actually said: "And you want to waste that talent to design shoes." I don't look at it that way. I am just using my talent in a different way.
You are right about my degree, also. It is indeed in graphic design. The crossover was kinda slow at the beginnig of the process because I couldn't say that I had an ID degree, which seem to be the magic words. It does help that I have some kind of creative degree, though. Like I said in a previous post, it is pretty much an ID degree or experience that people seem to be looking for when they check out resumes.With that said, I feel that if you have the talent and creativity it will show through until someone can't help but hire you.
ADE: About the tech packs, what level of detail is the designer expected to put into those? To put it simply, all levels. EVERY measurement on the shoe, especially the outsole and midsole, must be accounted for. How high do you want the collar? At the heel? At the eyestay? Better mark it on the tech pack. How much space do you want between raised portions of the herringbone traction? Better mark it as well. How much of a radius do you want on the lateral and medial sides of the outsole? How thick do you want the outsole? What textures? I think you get the idea. That is why they are so tedious. Everything you want must be accounted for. Once you get the hang of them, they aren't that hard, just time consuming and tedious.
Hope that helps. |
ade otabor
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| 6:45:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
"Hope that helps."
no doubt! i still have some a techpack from when i interned but it was given to be by an engineer (it was mad complicated--looked it was a blueprint to a houses) so i was not sure if the designers did the 2d drawing and handed it off to engineers for modeling and designers revised or the designers did all the measurments from jump...
thanks
have you guys gone to asia yet? if so what was that like, if not are you looking forward to it? |
justin taylor
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| 7:05:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
The tech packs do kinda work like you said. We do it from the start, then get a revised version back from Asia, then got to work revising that one again until we can reach a happy medium that will actually function properly.
I haven't gone to Asia yet, I am scheduled to leave for Asia on the 31st of this month and return on the 15th of August. I am looking forward to the time there, I hear it is an eye-opening experience and alot of fun, but flying and I don't get along too well, although, I am getting better at it. |
johnny szabo
(890)
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| 7:29:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Well the tech pack doesnt seem like a simple thing. Im only 15, and work at a shoe store and try to design, only getting the hang of it, so Im really grateful for this site and that all our questions get answered! Thanx yall! I was wondering which part of the shoe is the eyestay? Since im into shoes, well I get funny look s too they usually compare me to Al Bundy, cause I work at a Champs. |
ade otabor
(411)
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| 7:31:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
cool justin! if you take some pics you gotta post em' here...
be safe and good luck when you are down there, i have heard it is pretty wild... |
justin taylor
(363)
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| 7:38:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Thanks Ade.
The eyestay is what some people call the upper part of the ankle where the eyelets are. |
Ryan Holler
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| 7:46:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
David Whetstone -- For your minors, it sounds like your still thinking about other creative avenues (except for business, which is a good idea). I'd suggest that you expand your horizon a little. If you haven't already done this take some communications and/or sociology classes, or something in behavioral arena.
Desigining shoes is, in a fairly literal way, communicating with people through your work. You know how a great looking shoe design makes you feel inside? It's hitting you not just visually with lines and shaddows, it's emotional too. It's speaking "your language". And to communicate with people in the best way, it's best to use "their language", not just through your design, but in all forms of interaction.
Consider classes that help you get outside yourself and learn to identify with people as you get to know them, so that you'll better know how to relate to them according to the nuances of their personality, their culture, their like and dislikes. Right now, I'm really feeling the importance of this. PDMs (product development managers) see and process things differently from one another. I can't just churn out my renderings my way and expect them to always get it. It takes presenting my idea in a way that that particular person will understand best.
Anything that will enhance your ability to understand and relate to others will benefit your life and career profoundly. |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 8:45:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
Thanks for the good read everyone.Especially to all the insiders who have been gracious enough not to only look at this bored but share their info, past experience and encouragement. Im starting college this fall and studying Inustrial design. I have been waiting for this moment for years, ever since I learned this is the major to do...Im physced and just hope I really get a great experience from this, learn and improve a lot...Im hoping this 4 years will be amazing...Ya, Im excited for school... |
pio salas
(14)
| 10:45:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
dwayne edwards
this was gonna be my xxii drawing, but i didn't send it.......i want to be a shoe designer and i want your opinion on my drawings.thanks........
 |
Rich Benares
(644)
| 12:10:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Pio, here is your design. I took the liberty of reposting it correctly.
R1ch
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dwayne edwards
(179)
| 1:44:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
PIO:You have some work to do. You should scroll down and see my post to JOE and follow those instructions and repost your design.
D |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 1:54:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Please, where is my Air Jordan XX11?? 3 days after sent it...There's no drawing signs by Dumary here.... |
Rich Benares
(644)
| 2:21:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Joseph, not everyone will be a finalist unfortunately. Only the finalists will be showcased for voting. So you might as well post it to show everyone.
R1ch |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 2:40:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Thanks Rich..! |
arpith siromoney
(539)
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| 3:07:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
joseph- this might sound really harsh coming from a person who has never even made finalist, but as an appreciator of good design, i really wanted to ask you.. are you focussing on the design, or on making the picture pretty?
maybe you have spent a lot of time thinking about your design, or maybe several conceptual sketches.. but to me it looks like your focusing too much on the visual appeal of the shoe with little thought to the actual design. really sorry, but this is how i felt when i saw your post dated 2:28:00 PM Wednesday, July 12, 2006
perhaps if you could explain your design, it would help me understand better.. thanks.. |
arpith siromoney
(539)
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| 3:11:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
btw- i think you have mad skils with that pencil.. but is it really worth all that time to draw the material texture/ "bumps "?
i feel you should be refining your design first, and only then making a pretty picture for ppl to vote for you- and even then good design still beats good visuals when it comes to voting (i hope) |
arpith siromoney
(539)
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| 3:12:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
once again, it would be nice if you could tell us what is goin on.. is there a story behind the design? what all the components of your design are for? thanks.. |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 4:58:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Thanks Arpith..for your suggestions, and this will make me progress in the future...but, it's just because I don't have a scanner now, and I'm obliged to picture my designs to put'em on this site...But I want your help to advise me, I'm very happy now! Thanks you very much! |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 5:06:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Here is my favourite basketball magazine and The contest about the reebok answer 10 on kicksguide...
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Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 5:07:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
and the face!
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Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 5:13:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
DPX CARBON
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Ventsislav Nikolov
(178)
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| 5:32:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
No problem,Wayne ! I have a long list of bookmarks , he-he ... Joseph Dumary , what's that magazine , where areyou from ? It's looking different when it's printed , funny story ! Ole !
Ryan : Did you get my email ? Let me know . |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 6:45:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Nikolov, It's real!!! I'm from France and the Magazine named 5 majeur! |
Bruno Santos
(0)
| 7:20:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
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Ryan Holler
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| 8:05:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Vents -- I have replied to one email from you, but have not recieved one in the last couple days. Perhaps you should resend the most recent email. Are there attachments? My inbox is pretty full right now, so please keep it under 200kb. Thanks. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 8:09:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
i have a question: when you send off an entry how do you create attachments like JOE IM? I have differnt angles and colorways to my jordan entry (which has not been posted yet) but i would like to know how that works. do i send them all in at the same time, or do i create my own link? if it is too late for my jordan entry i would like to know for my Wade entry. |
Pietro Pellicelli
(495)
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| 8:27:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Justin Taylor:
About teckpacks, how long does it take to you (since you are still not very experienced at it) to make the first drawing that will be sent to asia?...consider an easy design, not too complex...
I know drawings are made in Illustrator, but do you send them .ai file format or some .dwg / .dxf ???
Thanks and ciaoooo |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 8:30:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JUSTIN: Go to Niketalk and go to the "Other Brands" Forum. They have a post on you, it might be flattering on who they're comparing you to. |
Lei Wang
(267)
| 9:40:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Wow, it seems the Chinese magazine "Dunk" I bought that printed all the KGAS designs from this website without permission was not the only one doing that. The French did that too. |
Ryan Holler
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| 10:03:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Joseph -- Arpith made some insightful comments regarding your work. I'd like to ad to them with an illustration. One of the problems (among others) is proportion. I've placed your design over a standard basketball shoe template. You must slim up your profile.
 |
Ventsislav Nikolov
(178)
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| 10:41:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ryan : I didn't recieve nothing since your your first mail , I'll resend my reply back then .Ole !
JT - Man , you really have to see that topic on NT ! |
Ventsislav Nikolov
(178)
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| 10:54:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ryan ,just mailed you. It seems your server blocks letter from bulgarian servers or something because it refuses my abv.bg account letter . Mailed you from my Yahoo account .Write me here if you didn't recieve it because I suspect there is some server problems ... Ole ! |
chris carraway
(125)
| 11:04:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
well i hope KG will post my design i know it was a late entry but i did not start till on or a little after the deadline. i thought my design was HOT. but if my design is not posted by this weekend or any others i will just post it myself on the chat. i would love to hear what everyone has to say. well gotta run i have an 11:30 class at the A.I.
(first day!!) |
Ryan Holler
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| 11:18:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Vents, it's probably only being blocked because my inbox it too full. I'll have to empty it out tonight. Sorry. |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 11:33:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Thanks Ryan..I remember it...yesterday, Pietro told me that...this design (2004) needs some work! Now I work on this...next time...I do my best |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 11:36:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
My Air Jordan XXII, inspired by The Air Jordan XVII
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Lei Wang
(267)
| 11:38:00 AM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ryan, I don't think Joseph's drawing is fully profile view. It looks like it has 15-20 degrees angle from the sideview. Some of my co-worker like to draw the shoe with a little bit angle so that they can show part of the tongue or some other details that won't be seen on a fully profile view. Having said that, I still think the toe area is little too high on Joseph's drawing but not significant. |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 12:12:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Joseph-When looking for inspiration for a shoe, like the XX2...don't just look at one past Jordan...Dig deeper then that....
Having a shoe "inspired" by another shoe is boring..meaning your just looking at and older Jordan and changing a couple things...
If it was something like a "nu-retro" or a ".5" then thats a little different, because thats more improving things to fit into today's standards...
This type of inspiration just doesn't belong in the "Air Jordan" line... |
Joseph Dumary
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| 12:42:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Yhanks!! |
Joseph Dumary
(0)
| 12:42:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
I'm on! |
justin taylor
(363)
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| 1:04:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Just got back from NikeTalk's Other Brands forum. That's weird. I feel all tingly inside now. It is a great feeling to know that people are appreciative of the passion that you have for what you are doing, but the comparisons, come on now. I've only been going at this for a little over five months, I can't even imagine what some of the great designers' portfolios looked like, no doubt better than mine.
Thanks for the kind words in there Ryan.
I just hope I can live up to the "gulp" hype. One thing is for sure, it motivates me.
It makes me wanna give a big THANK YOU to everyone who supported me, and will continue to do so in the future.
|
johnny szabo
(890)
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| 1:18:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ryan, when you told Joe that the proportions is only one of the problems, what else where you thinking about, Id like to know so Id avoid those problems and make better sketches everyday. Because yeah proportions is oone of the biggest challenges. But there are probably lots more, which Id like to know. |
Rich Benares
(644)
| 1:45:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JT: With shoes at the $40 range, ill be supporting you big time! lol
R1ch |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 1:56:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Hey everyone..
Just thought Id bring a little something different to this board..a new kind of entertainment haha..
Me and my friends just made these "mxtapes" for any of you wanting to watch...
I hope this doesn't ruin any type of reputation I may have on here..haha..
(Im in the green shirt)enjoy!...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEGhanityRY Vol1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppNe-GepHlI |
justin taylor
(363)
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| 2:11:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
I've actually managed to reach up to the $70 range, that is until final line review when the prices may change. |
Rich Benares
(644)
| 2:37:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JT: Im assuming they are not out yet. Any word on when they hit the streets? Im adding a new twist to my kicks collection. Im gonna have a Kicksguide Alumni collection. Get some AND1s by JT, some Adidas from MM, and maybe a logo from Tony lol Ryan H you have anything in the works? |
David Whetstone
(75)
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| 2:54:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Justin:
Do you have an online portfolio? I tried core77, but I did not have any luck finding you on there.
That goes to anyone else. I would love to see portfolios...not necessarily all sneakers, just anything you have worked on.
Thanks in advance.
David |
Nestor Hernandez
(72)
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| 3:08:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Rich- Dont forget any of Alpha's NIKE's for your KG collection |
Ian Gale
(382)
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| 3:23:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
www.styleportfolios.com/elagnai |
justin taylor
(363)
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| 3:24:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
DAVID: I would say the best place to view my work would be on SoleCollector.com under "the life" then Focus Artist. There should be a gallery there with a link to it at the end of the article, or in the left margin. At least, I think it is still there.
RICH: That's a cool idea. None of my shoes are out yet. They won't be hitting the streets, and hopefully the basketball courts, until next year. I am really excited about my first big shoe that will come out next summer. We are trying one of my new ideas. It will be interesting to see if it makes it to the production model. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 3:44:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
i dont know whats happening with my Jordan design but i am working on developing every angle for my Wade shoes plus a few extras (just to let everyone know) i am working harder because i "HAVE TO" make the finalist every month. |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 3:56:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Chris-What do you mean your not sure whats happening with your Jordan design..You mean that you feel it should have been put up as a finalist already???And what do you mean you need to make a finalist every month...Have you yet??...I think you need to relax and through devotion and work, it will hopefully come...
Just make sure you don't get to cocky now... |
chris carraway
(125)
| 4:06:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
no this is my first entry, and it was a little late so that may be the reason i am not sure i am just so anxious to see my design on here it is killing me. im just saying if i have to show more: like my thought process or additional angles i will do it. to be honest this is my first time and i just want to get rated. the comments last longer when your design is posted as a finalist than in chat. |
Rich Benares
(644)
| 4:33:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Nes: Trust me I have Alpha on my list too. I have been trying to get a hold of the black and white Air Flight bangers, but I have yet to find them since they were released last year. As far as DE goes, I have the XXIs of course and the Jordan LX2's |
ade otabor
(411)
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| 5:32:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
so how does it work when you get a project jt(other pros feel free to ante up as well)? are you given your own "model(s)" to do, work in teams on a particular model, are all designers given a brief and each propose their solutions, technical advancements?
question for de, mike d2lo, or jaymay: will we be seeing ips on any other jordan models besides the # flagship series? |
Ryan Holler
(1145)
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| 5:49:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Johny, the "other" problems are not as significant, and less tangible. Arpith mentioned that Joseph didn't appear to have worked as hard on developing a good design as he did on the polished rendering quality. I agree with that. Developing a design a over the course of days/weeks will make it better. Joseph has rendering skills that suggests a good grasp of 3 dimensionality. That requires imagination, which is a key to creativity. One of the other keys to creativity (a big one) is WORK, which takes time. The design itself does not show a whole lot of imagination. But Joseph has all the tools he needs to go where he wants to go. |
Ryan Holler
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| 5:56:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Here's a quick peek at many of Justin's designs. JT, I hope you don't mind...
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Rich Benares
(644)
| 6:01:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
In regards to JTs work, we've seen those before, lets see some of the new And1 joints!! haha I know only time will tell |
dallas stokes
(293)
| 6:25:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
NO DISRESPECT JT BUT I THINK YOU GOT A GREAT CHANCE OF DWAYNE WADE'N THE GAME. THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER TINKER NOR JORDAN. HOWEVER THE NEXT COULD VERY WELL BE YOU JT. |
justin taylor
(363)
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| 6:28:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Thanks Ryan, I don't mind at all, and I think I recognize that layout.
The way the projects go for me, is that we are all given the line plan with the slots that we want shoes for, say a $100 shoe with this or that tech. Then, we talk about who worked on what last season, who did well with a certain style, and divide up the slots accordingly. Here, we all work on our own projects. Each designer does his own shoe, and the only teamwork comes in with suggestions from development when it is time to make the shoe. Other than that, we might ask each other from time to time what looks better.
I wish I could show you some of the AND1 stuff, you definately wouldn't recognize it as AND1. Now, it is just a matter of getting things made, or not made, as is the case sometimes. |
justin taylor
(363)
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| 6:29:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Thanks Dallas, no disrespect taken. I would much rather be the first JT anyway. |
ade otabor
(411)
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| 6:46:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
good stuff! seeing some of the newer stuff, i can not wait to see what y'all got coming next.
cool cool |
Arnaud Redon
(127)
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| 6:51:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Joshep, are you french ? and do you live in "metropolitan" France ?
What kind of school do you know for the moment ?
Most of the ID school are private school and are very expensive (and more than when i was in - Oo).
What have you studied since you're 14 years old ? |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 7:04:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ian: I seen your kicks and I definately think that you can hang with the big dogs. The Jordan XXII rendering of yours is my favorite |
Tony Hardman
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| 7:17:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JT definitely always bringin' that HEAT! Reminds me more of E. Scott Morris with the mad thoughts and rendering style though. Def got a bright future ahead of you Justin! p.s. I wonder if you look back on the pre-pro stuff and realize "That would be a MO FO to actually make!" I know I do... -TH |
dwayne edwards
(179)
| 8:06:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JUSTIN:I have NEVER even tried on a pair of AND1's but I will when yours drop but I am not paying for them. I will trade you some JORDAN's for some AND1's.
Hummm, I never thought I would say those words either..
D |
Wayne Russell
(355)
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| 8:07:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Justin: When you interviewed with And 1 did you show them your work from niketalk or did you do seperate pieces with their branding?
^ I guess anyone that has interviewed already can provide a answer for me...is it appropriate to show work with branding of a competing company? I've been using my own brand (Salinger) to avoid any problems but i'm still curious...what is appropriate?
Thanks. |
Tony Hardman
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| 8:21:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Wayne: The logo is irrelevant. The ideas and skills are the important part. It's ok to show other brands. Sometimes the company will ask you for work specific to them..but NEVER let it out of your sight or leave it with them. If it has their logo on it, technically they OWN it by law. So just be careful. -TH |
Tony Hardman
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| 8:23:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
DE: I can't believe you said it either. Any chance of swapping for some Skechers boy's shoes?! LMAO! |
dwayne edwards
(179)
| 9:02:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
TONY:I would just give them to you for free so you don't send them to me. What you need quick so I can get that thought out my mind...
D |
dallas stokes
(293)
| 9:07:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
TH THATS REAL!!! I NEVER NOTICED THE SIMULARITIES BETWEEN E AND JT. FUNNY THING IS E WAS MY INSPIRATION AND FIRST TEACHER IN THE FOOTWEAR GAME. MY CAREER HAS BEEN MOLDED BY HIM DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY FOR YEARS. JT THEY THROWIN BIG SHOTS AT YOU MAN...TIME TO CALL BARRY AND BELCO. |
Wayne Russell
(355)
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| 9:23:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Tony: oh ok..thanks. something to think about. What did you show to "The S".
D'Wayne: I'll put up a full pair of phat farm's for a half pair of anything you got...much better than Tony's offer( not really). ha. I need some new shoes to chop up....basic cup soles ain't furthering the education.
General question(s):
Why is the air necessary in air max tech? If you cut the away the "bubbl"e there doesn't seem to be much of a difference as far cushioning is concerned...maybe it's slightly less stable but cushioning doesn't seem to suffer...the tpu does the work. I asked this question a long time ago but I don't remember if I received an answer. |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 9:55:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JUSTIN: Remember, Keep reppin for the SOUTH!!!!!!!! |
David Whetstone
(75)
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| 10:00:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ian and Justin.
Thanks for sharring your work.
Ian. Your illustrator/photoshop skills are quite nice. One thing I really liked about your hand renderings was the way you showed some guidelines (indigo blue pencil?). That seemed to give those drawings a lot of energy. It would be interesting to see how that worked with the computer renderings.
Justin. Your renderings really made me jump. Seeing stuff like that makes you realize that nothing is too "silly" to put down on a piece of paper. Sometimes I shy away from ideas because they seem impossible, but your work was so believable. Sometimes with renderings there still seems to be some grey area, your detailing made the shoes look like they were ready for the shelves.
Also, it looks like you used two different colors of markers. Is that the case? I had been questing using that technique because often Prisma markers have a big jump between shades. For example there are only 3 reds (one of which is almost orange). Eh well, I'll go give it a try anyway.
Thanks again for sharring Ian and Justin.
David
Oh...and I meant "silly" in a good way. |
ade otabor
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| 10:26:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
"Why is the air necessary in air max tech? If you cut the away the "bubbl"e there doesn't seem to be much of a difference as far cushioning is concerned...maybe it's slightly less stable but cushioning doesn't seem to suffer...the tpu does the work. I asked this question a long time ago but I don't remember if I received an answer."
i think it is because the having the element pressurized with "air" (i read somewhere it is actually filled with an inert gas) creates the cushioning response. plus it is supposed to not degrade as fast as foams...i am not sure if this
answers the question i am sure someone could better explain this?
de, can you say if will we be seeing ips on any other jordan models besides the # flagship series?
"but NEVER let it out of your sight or leave it with them. If it has their logo on it, technically they OWN it by law. So just be careful. -TH"
that is news to me...isn't it the norm to leave a sample book of your work when you get interviewed? |
David Whetstone
(75)
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| 10:35:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
I think ade is on the right track.
Foam breaks down. Meaning after "x" number of miles a shoe's ride will not be as supportive as it was before a runner has ran on it.
This is the idea behind the am 360. Nike wanted to maximize the amount of air (actually inert gas like ade said) and reduce the amount of foam since the air will not lose its form while the foam will. Technically, a shoe with a 100% inert gas insole should perform the same on day 1 as on day 101.
Anyone feel free to correct me for accuracy. I bet there is a feature on Nike.com somewhere...maybe in the am 360 page.
I hope I helped.
David |
David Whetstone
(75)
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| 10:36:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Correction...I said insole...i meant to say midsole...
"A shoe with 100% inert gas midsole..." |
Ryan Holler
(1145)
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| 11:00:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
JD -- I replied to the email you sent me yesterday, but it came back to me. My answer is that I don't know anything about I.D. schools in France or any other part of Europe. This (KG) is probably where you should ask that question.
DW -- Have you ever done your drawings with a pencil, shading and all (I mean take it real far in pencil gray) then lay marker down over it? Give it a try. Also, have you used Prismacolor pencils after you lay down the marker? Give that a try too. And draw big. The bigger you draw, the more detail you can get.
XR -- SOUTH!!! ... Dirrty. |
ade otabor
(411)
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| 11:13:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
"I.D. schools in France or any other part of Europe"
if you are in france creapole seems like it is a good bet for footwear design. ISD and maybe there is one other i think i am leaving out...a few of the kg particpants could probably tell you more specifically. |
Wayne Russell
(355)
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| 11:57:00 PM Thursday, July 13, 2006
Ade/David: I understand that some break down (compression set) occurs with foam but this is not really what I was getting at.
What I want to know is why did Nike need to add "air" to their shoes in the first place? The results of my stupid little wear test (that i did in my room) showed that the air max technology functioned nearly the same once the bladder was cut out (The tpu stucture remained of course)...and I say nearly because the shoe was less stable...but this would perhaps be a non issue if the tpu was moved closer to the edges. I don't know, is there more to air than I can detect? |
Wayne Russell
(355)
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| 12:10:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
another question...what are those notches on the insole for (see pic)? i've seen them on a few insoles...and always on the medial side? what's it about?
 |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 12:57:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Speaking of good designers, my friend Brett Golliff is also coming up. He attends College for Creative Studies in Detroit.
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ade otabor
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| 1:33:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
which air max's did you dissect? how were you able to remove remove the bladder and still wear the shoe to test? got pics? my guess would be that the density of the "air" adds resilency to the unit, by its density maybe? maybe you could find the patent and read what its said to do from the source? |
Tony Hardman
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| 1:56:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
DE: I'm serious, man. We got some euro-fusion mountain trainers with a real nice z-closure! LOL. It's crazy technical!!! P.S. Please send XXI's immediately to avoid receipt of skechers Crocs in all colors.
Wayne: I believe those notches coincide with internal notches to keep the insole from sliding up and slipping around inside.
Dallas: I never knew that you were tight with E. I met him once but he probably doesn't remember me...though I can't blame him considering how much football knowledge he's retaining up there!
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Tony Hardman
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| 1:58:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
" I need some new shoes to chop up....basic cup soles ain't furthering the education. "
LOL...I feel you Wayne! That had me rolllling! |
Joseph Dumary
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| 2:44:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
RYAN-
Yes that's the truth!, I know that, but, the problem is..because I don't have software or sophistical material...like many of the others designers.., so I'm obliged to do with my Felt-tip pen, and a pencil..only!
I want to create a new way to design..this is one of my objective..that's why, with my pencil and my felt-tip pen, I design shoes like no other did before. But, I don't have any problems with the " Normal Design" on the contrairy, now.I work on this! But these designs are so old...( 1998-2003) and now I work on my 9th collection of shoes and apparels (accessories) for basketball...and everytime I learn what you tell me about my design and I note'em..always on time on this site to follow your advice (on ryanholler.com too)...I think I have a lot of imagination..but It's the design which look like something real..if I pass you my idea to design.....you'll see..I need some work to become like you..like you design shoes....Don't be worried; I'm working now! Thanks!
Ade- Thanks, but I'ts so expensive..like you mentionned..I'll see with 'em in the day's coming. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 3:03:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Arnaud- I'm not french but I live in France..in the metropolitan France. I know there are many ID schools but they don't focused on the footwear... like many of ID schools in the states did! I want a good ID school...I know they are expensive ( 6000 per year in Creapole), so expensive for me!
When I was 14, I have studied on the college ( high school for you) to prepare a scientific education ( Physic, math, chemistry)...that's all.. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 3:16:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Ryan..what happen on your site now?? |
Eddy Lasmin
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| 5:14:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
hiii give me a comment about this one!!thanks
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Eddy Lasmin
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| 5:31:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
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sarah w
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| 7:26:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Brian M- what school are you going to be at? |
Joseph Dumary
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| 9:37:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Old Design...(1999)
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Joseph Dumary
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| 9:40:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
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Joseph Dumary
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| 9:43:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Old design..again
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Claudio Perugia
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| 10:20:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
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Claudio Perugia
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| 10:31:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Hi Guys!!
Since it is my first time on the chat I would like to post one of my latest creations. I would love some feedback on the design, I was thinking about creating something that looks good and feels good as well.
Anyways looking forward to some feedback.
Take care guys, Cheers!
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Xavier Rush
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| 10:31:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Joseph: Your designs have a unique style. |
Ian Gale
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| 11:21:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
David: Dont mention it...i like people to see my work and give their opinions. I have not rendered with markers for over a year...I need to practice n refresh that skill. on the flip side, my computer skills have sky-rocketed tho.. |
Arnaud Redon
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| 11:27:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Joseph - There aren't footwear design school in France, but the best way to become an athletic footwear designer seems to be the product design way. And the best ID schools are Creapole or Strate College in Paris or ISD in Valenciennes, there are expensive but maybe you can borrow money from a bank. All the ID schools are private, there are so few public school but they haven't got the strong connections with the industry that can have the private schools, for example each year Creapole have students in internship at Puma, Fila, Adidas or Nike.
An other fact to consider is that these private schools are big business, sometimes you feel like every teachers and especially the directors are only looking for $$. I've been 4 years in Creapole, and some of my friends have stoped because of this, it's a big competition!
If you want to see what you would do in Creapole i've some link to portfolios of students who were in the same class than mine. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 11:53:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Oh that's truth!! Arnaud, tu me sauves la vie là! j'irai les contacter dans les semaines qui viennent...I hope you speak french..Thanks! |
johnny szabo
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| 11:55:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
Ade I dont know the answer to your question, but Ive had my air max pop before and still had the same feel, even though I played another month in them.
Joseph nice designs thats somethin totally new, but they kinda seem bulky to me.
I would like to ask all of the pros, since there are a couple here when did you guys get into this whole designing process, when did you start, did you start with shoes, did you attend any kinda special highschool? |
justin taylor
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| 11:59:00 AM Friday, July 14, 2006
D'WAYNE: You can come to my office and pick out any samples you want, if I can go to your office and do the same! lol
DAVID: Thanks for the kind words. Some of the time, I do use two different shades, but I rely more on layering with the same shade and pencil. Using two different colors really only works if they are very close colors. |
Brian Moughty
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| 12:19:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
sarah w-I'll be going to Wentworth...Its in Boston.. |
Wayne Russell
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| 12:31:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Ade: here's a pic.
Tony: Thanks but what internal notches? How would they build that in? It couldn't be on the midsole and itn't not on the upper.
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Wayne Russell
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| 12:32:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
^ on the lining side of the upper I mean. |
Wayne Russell
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| 12:33:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
^ on the lining side of the upper I mean. |
Tony Hardman
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| 12:50:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Wayne: I dunno. It was a just a guess. I would have to see the shoe you pulled it out of. Maybe it designates something for the factory. -TH |
Tony Hardman
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| 12:51:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
D'Wayne: I am boxing up your crocs and hope to get them out to you this afternoon. Overnight delivery. |
Brian Moughty
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| 1:20:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
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Brian Moughty
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| 1:21:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
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Arnaud Redon
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| 1:26:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
...I'm french, but i don't speak french, sorry...
Bien sûr que oui !!! :P
You need to know that in ID school in France you do everything about design, and if you're lucky maybe you'll do shoes... In 4 years i've never get a shoe project at school, but there're students who'd chosen a shoe project for their diploma.
For the links, there is the portfolio of a friend of mine, Emeric Demeyer :
http://coroflot.com/public/individual_details.asp?job_seeker_id=48422&t=&display_portfolio=yes
And the one of Solene Roure who was in the same year than me :
http://coroflot.com/public/individual_details.asp?job_seeker_id=97823&t=&display_portfolio=yes
They've both done internship in footwear ;) |
justin taylor
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| 1:28:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
TONY HARDMAN: Yup, I definately look back now and think, "nope, that wouldn't work," or, "That would be WAY to expensive!" It sure is fun to work with no boundaries. |
ade otabor
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| 3:27:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
i see what you mean now wayne, i can not say that i know why "air" is necessary but my uneducated guess would be that it keeps the impact absorbtion/cushioning consistent across the area of the impact. without the air there might likely be deadspots where the cushioning element might result in a uneven feel...
cladio and eddy, pietro posted a little overlay of the "proper" proportions some posts ago, that would greatly improve the quality of your design and allow people to better understand what you want them to see...it does not need to be perfect but it something to be aimed at...
arnaud, you know emeric? that is my dude! i interned with that guy, one the coolest people i have met also a very good designer...a little 7-30 though...hahaha! |
Xavier Rush
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| 4:11:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
I'll try to post my Jordan Design later guys!
But for now let me know what you guys think about these.
I posted this before but never really got that much feed back.
What do I need to improve on?
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Xavier Rush
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| 4:13:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
And here is a cross-training shoe I did also.
What do I need to improve on?
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chris carraway
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| 4:21:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Xavier Rush: have you ever been a finalist in any of these monthly competitions? i would like to see how an entry would be portrayed. |
Lei Wang
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| 5:02:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Xavier, I like the style of your renderings and the Wade design looks cool. I have one comment- the outsole goes up very high on the heel part which means it requires a large amount of rubber to make the outsole. The more rubber you use, the heavier the shoes will be, which may reduce the speed of Wade's movements on the court. |
Xavier Rush
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| 5:48:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Chris: I've never been interested in a entering. I'm still thinking about the Wadeness Month(different shoe). I would like to see how it will end up. May Consider.
Lei: I think you made a very good point. I've never thought of that either. Because DWade is a very speedy player and that part would slow him down. Thanks for the tip.
EVERYONE: More comments are welcome, please. |
chris carraway
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| 6:01:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Xavier Rush: well i got bored and for the last 30 mins i redrew your design the way i see it. i tryed not to change too much.
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chris carraway
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| 6:03:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
and yes you would have to use leather instead of rubber in that area because not only will it weigh the shoe down it serves no athletic purpose. |
johnny szabo
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| 6:21:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Nice job XAvier, I like the Wade and yeah since he is the player that requires a light shoe you cant use rubber. No one seemed to reply to my post, on how old are yall, when you got started, any special high school etc. Yhanx in advance! Hopefully Ill be postin my Jordan sketches, but my scanners busted for now. |
Rich Benares
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| 6:27:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Johnny ill be first to answer...
im at the old age of 31..I attended OTIS College of Art and Design in Los Angeles ( hooray for Macarthur Park! lol ) I majored in Graphic Desgn and Illustration. No special High Schools for me. Grew up in Los Angeles, now living in San Diego..umm and yeah I draw shoes from time to time. When the wife lets me haha
R1ch |
Xavier Rush
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| 6:31:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Chris: I should have made the lines like that. I actually thought about it when it was too late. I first draw the shoe lightly with a No. 2 pencil and then trace it over with a blue or black pen. The reason I decide to use a pen to decrease the chances of smearing.
Johnny: To answer your question, I have been drawing shoes since I was 7. Now I'm 18. I'm really passionate about it. That's a dream of mines that'll will never die. But on the contrary, I also design urban clothes too. Well I try. |
Arnaud Redon
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| 7:01:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Yeah I know him, and he's told me he knows you at Fila, its looks like a cool place to meet cool people! I was in class with him during our first year in Creapole. Now, he needs an us visa to design watches at Nike (he also tries to enter at adidas), but maybe you know that, are you still in touch with him ? |
Tony Hardman
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| 7:27:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
the "Wadeness"...am I the only one that doesn't get that?
-TH |
chris carraway
(125)
| 7:51:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
i have a question: being that Nike now owns Converse would it be appropriate to incorporate some of Nike's technology into a Converse shoe? Mercedes did it with chrysler and increased there sales (look at the 300m, and the cross-fire) or will they just be separate intities under one name? if they merge in that format i have just recreated my wade design today because it uses the I.P.S. system i thought of this for my jordan design (which was as of now not selected as a finalist... maybe because it was late) but i feel Nike tech can add a lot of flare to Converse's kinda bland designs. (i would just like to show off my I.P.S. system upgrade in detail). |
Rich Benares
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| 8:02:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
TH I dont get it either. Is it a play on the word Madness? |
chris carraway
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| 8:04:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
KG: did you get my design? was it too late or did i just not make the cut? if it is not going to be posted i am going to post it in chat so that i can get everyones opinion. |
Tony Hardman
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| 8:12:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Rich..Ah. Could be! No idea. I didn't know you went to Otis. I play ball at a gym over there. How did you like it? |
johnny szabo
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| 8:59:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Thanx for the feedback! |
Brian Moughty
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| 9:10:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
Chris-Throw it up in here..It appears all finalists are done...... |
chris carraway
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| 9:13:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
ok give me a min |
ade otabor
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| 9:48:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
yes, we still keep in contact every once in while we let each other know whats up, a really fun and talented individual...
"the "Wadeness"...am I the only one that doesn't get that?"
" TH I dont get it either. Is it a play on the word Madness?"
i thought it was a spinoff of the whole lebron "witness" phenomenon which spawned the ever popular dirk "nowitzness" and the dwayne "wadeness" tees that the fans were rocking during the playoffs... |
Rich Benares
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| 10:17:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
TH: OTIS was cool, but I attended it back in 93 so they were still at the old location ( Macarthur Park )kinda ghetto over there haha, but overall the school was nice man, I just wish I took it more seriously back then. Coming out of HS school I thought that my skills would carry me through, so I slacked off, put off projects till the last minute, and I kinda paid the price for it. But it's all good - we live and learn. Taught me the true meaning of dedicating yourself to the art. |
chris carraway
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| 10:23:00 PM Friday, July 14, 2006
well to explain my Jordan xxii design i wanted to follow the jordan theme of simplistic elegance. You know the jordan line has never been one to show off. with the new I.P.S. there are still a lot of people who still do not know that these shoes have interchangeable pods. Most people just go to the store and see the shoes and thats it. (LOVE IT OR HATE IT!!) I was not intending on changing this policy. Like i said earlier i designed the jordan xxii, and the wade ii at the same time and being that i started after the deadline i did them both in about a week. I entered my design at the begining of july. when i was rendering this design i wanted to do something that i know that nobody was going to do with their jordan design and that was the material. i did do a nice amount of research on this design and i strongly believe that this is finalist material. "BUT OH WELL" besides being a finalist i wanted the feedback and the ability for people to see my name and to be able to go back and look up my design every month. "SO PEOPLE FEEL FREE TO GIVE ME YOUR BEST AND WORST COMMENTS ON THIS DESIGN" |
Brian Moughty
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| 12:22:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Tooo much chit chat and talk about not being a finalist..Its not even THAT big of a deal...I have never been a finalist but have came across relationships and one the best mentors and designer in the industry...And it wasn't because I was always a finalist, but I never even had been..
So just put up your designs, and if they are that great good things will come..
Chris-Just curious..How old are you? Have you already gone through/started college?... |
Brian Moughty
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| 12:24:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
X-Good to see someone else as young and passionate about this as I am...Since we are similar ages, you never know...Maybe one day we will be working on a shoe together...
We can only hope, pray, learn, and practice... |
dylan silvan
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| 12:35:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Why isnt my rendering up there????? |
Brian Moughty
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| 12:48:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
1 more thing Chris-
"You know the jordan line has never been one to show off."
Do you have the correct line?.....
You make it sound like their shoes you find at payless or something(TH-sketchers arn't at payless, are they?If so My appologies;)-but Im tyring to just make a point, cuz I know you would agree Jordan and sketches are two different levels) |
Greg Wade
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| 1:12:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Hmmm... A sub-sub-sub-culture, even the mad have ears, or should I say internet access! God-on, my dear muskovits...
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Brian Moughty
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| 1:15:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Sorry for another post but I have to...
Think about it...JB has been "showing off" right from the start...by putting a color scheme that basketball has not seen on shoes...To things like innovative technology, elephant print, patent leather, suede, lace covers, gaiters, straps...and more...Where would Jordan Brand be without "showing off"...As a designer especially for an Air Jordan..You have to 'show off", not in the sense of braggin by talking, but by design...Showing how good you are through design....I have no idea where the world would be if designers didnt show off...What if everyone kept their ideas and skills to themselves?..JB may limit designs and designers, based on things like price and such...but still every year the air Jordan shoe has always "stuck out"...When you first see it, or go to a shoe store, Jordans are always what are being "shown off"..and the Air Jordan is always the one shoe that sticks out on the shelves, or on the court..JB is that LAST brand I would put as not "showing off"... |
Brian Moughty
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| 1:18:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Show-off as a deisgner, not as a person...
You have to learn to be a "humble show-off"...Like JT..Humble? yes?..But showed off his skills? Yes... |
Ian Gale
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| 1:41:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
chris..
relax bro, u always sound like u trying to get everyone's attention. these KG Artist Series are supposed to be fun. dont take it so personal.. |
David Othie
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| 4:32:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
well.. I just read that all the finalists have been chosen.. so I guess my entry didn’t make it.. but I wanted to share my design and get some feedback…
but let me introduce myself real quick.. young guy from Sweden, studying in London.. but not doing any ID like most you guys.. I check out KG as often as I can.. you guys really help me get my mind of schoolwork when it tends to get to hectic.. so thanx I guess.. Now that I am home in Sweden for the summer I have the opportunity to participate in these contests.. lovin it.. enyways.. nuff bout me…
Inspiration for my Jordan shoe came from the mans latest venture, motorcycles. (Other than the Bobcats thingy=)When thinking of ideas for this project I got curious of what a motorcycle shoe actually looks like. They are pretty cool, go have a look.. So a lot of cues from my design are taken from motorcycling racing boots, from the cut to the laceless shoe. Also you’ll see that it sorta looks like a boot, with the breathable innerbootie also being the upper. This will make for a light weight shoe.. Other details of the shoe are the three “knobs” you turn and the ankle strap to tighten the fit of the shoe. A big midfoot shank is in place for extra stability, much like the racing boots.
Drop a line and tell me what u think, and what I’m really looking for is advice on how to improve. What am I doing wrong? What can I do better? Kinda stuck right now…
Thanx..
And while I’m at it.. nestor.. how do u render your stuff.. if I may ask… same thing for karabo? C’mon share ya secrets.. And Mike Abdelnour is my favourite… wicked!
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chris carraway
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| 5:36:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Ian Gale:
you are right i want to get everyones attention so that they will anticipate seeing what all the yappin is about. I see that as of now i am a nobody. Its like when i see your name i think... yeah he does some very nice designs (look at what he's done!!) The same with everyone else who becomes a finalist. KG says: "respect is earned not taken" and i dont feel that i have earned any respect until i have become a finalist. |
chris carraway
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| 5:45:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
KARABO ANOH:
i think you have the hottest design up there. But if i was to change something on it, it would be the front i dont see why that had to be added, it looks like some clown lips. i would have left it all white. I love the japaneese flag concept but i dont know how many Americans would buy it. If it was for a Japaneese player it would be perfect. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 5:58:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Brian Moughty:
i ment showing off as of technology the Jordan xxii could have easily made a spectical of its new pod tech (with displays at the store, like they did with the shox's "boing") but they didnt. You dont really know unless you do a little research, a store clerk tells you, or after you buy them. I have two pair the black ones and the white ones... thanks D.E. i would like the grey suede version as well i kinda based part of my design on them. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 7:19:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
You make it sound like their shoes you find at payless or something(TH-sketchers arn't at payless, are they?If so My appologies;)
LOL!! i just got that. Skethchers may not be the hottest brand out there (in designing) but i do see a lot of people wearing them. So they are making money. i hate there commercials though. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 7:22:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
well i have to go to work i will post my jordan xxii design afterward. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 7:28:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Yeah, Othie your design is pretty good!!! I think that your design deserves to be between all finalists..have you post it? |
Brian Moughty
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| 10:01:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Chris- I still don't agree with this "show off" thing..."Tune your IPS" that was one thing JB had in their ads...and in a lot they showed thAt the cushioning could be switched...There is whole features on the shoe and every detail on the site...and posters were up in stores... |
David Othie
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| 10:26:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Joseph: Thanx man, i wish u were the one deciding who the finalists are.. haha..i read somewhere in the chat that all the finalists had been chosen, so i just thought i'd post it and get some feedback...
May i ask, what did you think of it? good/bad?
Also, i really like your stuff.. it's really different from the most stuff you see here... i remember that i used to draw shoes from that angle too, then i got hooked on KG and i started doing straight profiles instead.. in my opinion, your shape is alil bulky, but your renderings are very beautifully done.
Do you use a computer at all when doing your renderings? |
Xavier Rush
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| 11:03:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Brian: Maybe........Right now, you're one step ahead of me. But, Imma catch up though. |
Joseph Dumary
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| 11:19:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Doopy CX
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Brian Moughty
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| 11:19:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
X-Ill make sure you don't...ha.. |
Xavier Rush
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| 11:23:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
I'm not surprised......LOL |
paul boucher
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| 11:55:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Chris - I have to say something. Don't make a big deal about being a finalist. I know you are excited and anxious, believe me I know the feeling, but relax a little bit buddy. Everything will come in due time. You do a lot of hyping your ideas and designs and no one has seen them. I know you were waiting to see if you would be a finalist, I do the same thing, but after I know I am not I will post them up here for feed back. You keep talking about how you want to see what people think of your designs and get feed back, well, you don't need to be a finalist for that. I have gotten great feed back and not been a finalist in months. The guys on here are great and would gladly give you any advise/feed back you would like. You just have to ask for it. But you have to do it in a way that makes them want to. You don't need to come off arrogant. You need to humble yourself and listen. You do a lot of talking/hyping (talking in general is good, but not in an “I know I should have won" and "Mine was better than theirs” way) your designs and you have some big shoes to fill. If you don't people are going to be disappointed. Like Brian said, "Show off as a designer, not as a person." There couldn't be a truer statement in your case. Let your designs speak for themselves, not your mouth. If you are not in design school yet, or if you are just starting, some advise: Become humble, speak softly, and listen. Don't justify everything you do, but do explain some things. There is a difference in justification and explanation. Your teachers will appreciate you more. I am not saying that you can’t back things up, because you need to have reason for everything you do, not “just cause I thought it looked good”. So you can speak about your design, just in a different manner. I think you do do your research and have reasons why you chose to do things; you just bring them to the table the wrong way. Continued. |
paul boucher
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| 11:55:00 AM Saturday, July 15, 2006
It’s been crazy in this chat room, so I can't remember but I think it was TH or JT that said something like “in the industry you have to explain things because sometimes your ideas do not come across to the person looking at them.” I got my degree in Communication Arts w/ a Concentration in Graphic Design so I know what he is talking about. I don’t get a lot of the Industrial Design stuff, but I do know this; the main goal is to “NOT” have to explain anything in your design. When someone looks at your design (the design director, the production manage, the end user, anybody), they should be able to read visual what you want to say in words. If they can do that, then there is no need for talking/ hyping. Your work speaks for itself. If you can learn to do this then you are on your way to becoming a good designer. There is more to being a designer than the physical art part of it. Like personality, your character, your belief structure, your morals, etc. etc. etc. Learn to blend these things together and you will on your way to being a better designer.
Anybody – If any of that you disagree with or want to add anything to what I said, please feel free to. I would love to hear what everyone else thinks, especially those guys out there that are in the industry.
P.S. Sorry about the rant. I just felt I had to speak my mind on this one, and I am sorry if I was too harsh or came of as arrogant in any way.
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Joseph Dumary
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| 12:09:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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Brian Moughty
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| 12:25:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Chris-Another thing..Wether you feel or not you are noticed or known...Turst me..Your design is MUCH anticipated now...everyone wants to see now... |
Aurélien Longo
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| 1:36:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
hi everybody
it is the 4th time i try to be selected between the 15 famous renderings.but not So i present you my project for the contest of the JORDAN XXII.
Tell me what you feel about it.
thanks !!
Aurélien
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andrew trautmann
(50)
| 2:02:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Aurélien- your design is pretty good but its another case of too much computer work not enough hand design. and also the shoe looks a little too high or too short. but the overall concept has potential |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 2:15:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Here is my Jordan XXII rendering, let me know what you guys think.
What Do I need to improve on?
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ade otabor
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| 2:18:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
sure is a lot of talking going on...i am not sure why everybody trying to school chris, let him, do him. especially when people are saying the same things...
"Think about it...JB has been "showing off" right from the start...by putting a color scheme that basketball has not seen on shoes...To things like innovative technology, elephant print, patent leather, suede, lace covers, gaiters, straps...and more...Where would Jordan Brand be without "showing off"...As a designer especially for an Air Jordan..You have to 'show off", not in the sense of braggin by talking, but by design...Showing how good you are through design....I have no idea where the world would be if designers didnt show off...What if everyone kept their ideas and skills to themselves?..JB may limit designs and designers, based on things like price and such...but still every year the air Jordan shoe has always "stuck out"...When you first see it, or go to a shoe store, Jordans are always what are being "shown off"..and the Air Jordan is always the one shoe that sticks out on the shelves, or on the court..JB is that LAST brand I would put as not "showing off"..."
two things here, if you think JB is about showing off, maybe you have not been paying attention? if you mean being different or actively trying to be fashion/perfomance forward and find new trends, i am with that. trying to create a product for their consumer that at once can be exactly what they expect and yet be something totally new...
"You have to learn to be a "humble show-off"...Like JT..Humble? yes?..But showed off his skills? Yes..."
a humble show-off is still a show-off(not calling justin a show-off). showing off has a negative connotation, i think if you can do, whatever you do, the best you can do it, while you are doing it, and you will not have to worry about anything else... |
Brian Moughty
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| 2:27:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
ade- Not really sure what your trying to say here..but I think we are agreeing lol...
Im saying not to be a "show off" in the way of talking and bragging...But being a show off with your talent... |
ade otabor
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| 2:27:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
i it is hard, especially in this setting, to remember that to be designers means marrying art, function, and industry (with a dash of inspiration/storytelling). here, as reminded every month, we do not have the restrictions that the pros do (or the resources)but if we can keep in mind that the goal is not to show-off or to only make cool ish, but to make cool ish that fits within a brand and its goals. the skills are a means to and ends, which is communicating or designs/ideas...
sorry for the long rant...
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dwayne edwards
(179)
| 2:39:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
CHRIS:First of all thank you for the compliments but let me tell you, you have dug yourself a huge hole with all of your words talking about this and that. You remind me of a boxer that talks all this trash to hype up himself and the fight. Make'n people believe he is going to kill this guy when he gets in the ring and guess what happens. He gets knocked out in the first round and the funny thing is he swung so hard he hit himself.
You are talk'n so much I am willing to bet anyone on this site that your XX2 Design would not even make it to the ring because someone who talks as much as you are doing is hiding the fact that you are not that good. I mean that with no disrespect but if, you are good at anything other people will be talking about you not you talking about yourself.
I have been around for a long time and I have NEVER heard your name before. I have NEVER seen your sketches. I have NEVER seen any of your designs in a store. And, I am confused why are you so opinionated, cocky and think you know everything there is to know about design. Please do yourself a favor and take the time to humble yourself apologize to everyone on this board that you have offended and reintroduce yourself before you post your design because something tells me you are going to get slammed even if it is halfway ok..
Trust me.
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andrew trautmann
(50)
| 2:42:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
xavier- i didnt really have an opinion about your shoe untill i noticed after about 2 minutes the huge stitched 23. its kinda like the 'more uptempos'...its bold man i like it. |
ade otabor
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| 2:45:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
"Im saying not to be a "show off" in the way of talking and bragging...But being a show off with your talent..."
oh, no doubt. but real talk, there are ALOT of talented people in this world, and people do not generally care about how talented a person is. it may just be semantics but what i am trying to say is there will not be a NEED for you to have to "show-off" if you attempt to do the best you can... |
Brian Moughty
(378)
| 2:46:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
X-Even though you did it differently, I believe that "23" idea had kinda been used for the VI..According to what people say...So just try to bring someting new to the table...
Maybe that could be like a nu'6?... |
dwayne edwards
(179)
| 3:00:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
PAUL B:Great posts. I agree with everything you said pretty much. The only part I will address is the one about your designs should speak for themselves. In my opinion in regards to footwear that is about 50 to 60% correct. You need to leave about 25 to 20% open for conversation/discovery for the consumer to fall in love with it 100%.
You are not always able to tell the entire story through your work. Sometimes you have complete the story/explain why it is designed a certain way so people gain a better understanding of what your vision was when the shoe is complete.
Words also play a but role at the beginning of your design process because if you don't have your concept/story set before you design you will be just moving lines. So, that is another 25 to 20%.
Now, this also works on the front end when you are trying to pitch your designs as well mainly because the majority of the time the people you are pitching to cannot see 3D like we can. So words that explain your vision is key.
Storytelling is just as important as your design... Just my footwear point of view. Everything else you say I thought was on point.
BRIAN and ADE:Save your breath with CHRIS until he shows us something.
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Joseph Dumary
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| 3:15:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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ade otabor
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| 3:39:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
comment and scores:
joe im: rating 9---overall super nice design!!! the only thing that did not make this a ten for me was your shoe did not really address any performance aspects(which you acknowledged). but top notch presentation, communication of the inspiration and execution. i guess you could tweak the proportions as peitro suggested, as it might make it a lil' better but it looks good as is. the board with the sketches of different views is hot, it be nice to see a cleaned up version of that. another minor thing is the placement of the jumpman seems a little out of place maybe? tight stuff
mike abdelnour: rating 8---i really like the design of your xxii it is really elegant design and well rendered with great functional insights. i like how the graphic cuts across the shoe like that it is very striking, and i also like how extends into the toe, the heel cradle is pretty sweet too. for me the fact that it is inspired by a golf swing makes it less likable to me, i keep thinking this what similarities or functionalities does it have for a basketball shoe? sometimes i think inspirations can be a lil' od'ed or too literal, it is still a hot shoe though. also it seems as if your perspective view is showing the medial side right? it looks to have the silouette of the lateral side in perspective. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 4:03:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
I knew when i got home that a lot of peolpe were going to be talking about me. LOL!! i was laughing about it at work. I do talk a lot of smack and for that i appoligize to anyone that i offended. Its kool i dont want people to star hating me i was just waiting for the last coulple of weeks to see a design that never showed up. Well its ok like i said i will post my design now, and despite all the crap i said i would like everyones honest opinion. (whatever i did wrong i would like to improve upon on my wade design) |
mike abdelnour
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| 4:08:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Thanks Ade, the perspective view is supposed to show the medial side but you're right it does look like a lateral silouette. I tried changing it but it always ended up looking like a lateral view. I'll definately be working on improving perspectives in my future renderings. |
chris carraway
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| 4:19:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
well since it was not posted as a finalist could some of you give me a rating like from 1-10. thats what i really wanted, along with your comments i would very much appreciate that. |
ade otabor
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| 4:26:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
comment and scores
nes hernandez: rating 7---nice consistent style, good detailing, the link to racing is cool too. it seems a lil' long in the forefoot maybe but that is negligible, something about it just says team jb though, it does not really make a statement. there is not really anything more i can say. it is presented very well, but for future it might be good to include additional views...
karabo: rating 7---good render, i am a lil lost on why you chose the rising sun? and it is not really clear what is going on with the slits? or at the toe? are there laces? more views might clear this up. under scrutiny this design does not really appear to hold it own, but i like it...and it has similarities to what jb's aesthetic
will kerns: rating 6---i love the idea, but the execution of it imo does not quite seem jordanesque. maybe this is partially the color? but that is the risk, colors can affect perception. also some of the elements seem unnecessarily complicated like the toe guard and the cage, could you make these more simple, sophisticated, and/or stylish? i think if you could, you would have a reeeally tight solution. while unique in style, the renders share a little with karabo's entry in that they look too undefined and do not really communicate much materials or form, the dark outline flattens the shoe so it look more like a sketch than a "finished" and complete idea.. |
gustavo morcillo
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| 4:36:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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gustavo morcillo
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| 4:38:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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chris carraway
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| 4:59:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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Xavier Rush
(194)
| 5:09:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
DE: I agree with the "let the design speak for itself."
CHRIS: I can't wait to see your design, alot has been spoken from you. I know you have something hot for us.(here's the pressure) But I'm dead serious, If you haven't posted anything and have alot of opinions then you will not receive as much respect as you wish. The scariest thing is if your drawing doesn't amount up to all the talking. |
ade otabor
(411)
Artist Info
| 5:14:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
comment and scores
firman: rating 6---feeling your design, i can see it being a jordan # shoe with a little more attention. it is clean and simple however, it the style of the rendering hurts how it is viewed, it is not really detailed or very clear. it would be nice if it some mention of performance or materials and more views...
david: rating 5---sweet ideas and your are good with the markers i see. it just does not really look like a jordan shoe. there is too much going on, seems like it could have been executed better, a more elegant solution. from the words i can tell you were thinking some really functional ideas, now it is just trying to make them work stylistically. i like the lock down straps but the way you have implemented them, it does not appear they would allow for a very customizable fit. the two views explain alot, but more views can communicate your design clearer sometimes.
fransergio: rating 5---tecnically the rendering is well executed and i know you got skillz b, but the shoe does not really fit with jb or look much like a basketball shoe. you are pushing the envelope and bringing new perspective to the brand so maybe that is why it not instantly appealing but more than anything else you want people to look at the design and say "that's a jordan" there are also some issues with the proportion which could change the perception but it just does not say jordan
hope these comment do not come off as being harsh...just my thoughts |
chris carraway
(125)
| 5:16:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
well i think my design is hot i would like to know how everyone else feels. i am haveing a little trouble puting it on give me a min. |
Xavier Rush
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| 5:22:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
BY THE END OF THE DAY THE FACTS WILL OUT LIVE THE OPINIONS!!!!!!! |
chris carraway
(125)
| 5:29:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
ok i got it!! |
chris carraway
(125)
| 5:36:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
i rendered the jordan entry in photoshop i was going to do the wade using prisma marker to show different techniques but since i was not a finalist i will try to use both styles on my wade design. |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 5:42:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
CHRIS: If you think I'm just talking to you, NO,NO,NO my friend that's for everyone.
But I guess the guilty will speak. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 5:52:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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chris carraway
(125)
| 5:53:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
feel free to comment and give suggestions everyone. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 6:19:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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chris carraway
(125)
| 6:21:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
i think that is as big as ite gets. the little gray words read "DESIGNED BY: CHRIS CARRAWAY, WWW.CHRISCARRAWAY@COMCAST.NET" |
chris carraway
(125)
| 6:24:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE A FULL SIZE IMAGE E-MAIL ME AND I WILL SEND IT. AND IF ANYONE IS WONDERING YES THAT IS GREY SUEDE, I DID IT LIKE THE NEW XXI'S |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 6:25:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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chris carraway
(125)
| 6:34:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
FILA'S....? OMG!! i havent seen those shoes since elementry. well it is a tad bit similar but i did not even remember those shoes till now. and if i was to get inparation from any footwear design it would not be of a Fila shoe. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 6:37:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
i just wanted to create a very simple design that would follow the jordan theme. |
gustavo morcillo
(24)
| 6:43:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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gustavo morcillo
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| 6:44:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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gustavo morcillo
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| 6:46:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
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Xavier Rush
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| 6:54:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
CHRIS: You remember everyone had them back in the day. Those are classics now! |
dwayne edwards
(179)
| 6:57:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
CHRIS:Since you think this is a board to play games "LOL!! i was laughing about it at work"
and try get under peoples skin I will not waist my time on words to help you when there are people on this board are here to learn. By doing that, shows me you have NO RESPECT for anyone on this board who is trying to help people. You are lucky I am not an MODERATOR because I would band you from this board. None of this is a joke.
XAVIER:FILA wins by a KO!
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chris carraway
(125)
| 7:13:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
dwayne edwards:
Calm Down: i did not mean it like that. i was laughing at myself for saying stuff like that. (you know how you do something you shouldnt have done then think about it afterwards?) i was not trying to disrespect anyone in what i said. nor did i have the intent to play games with anyone. i am like everyone else in my search for knowledge. and i have respect for everyone because everyone on this board can learn from each other. i just appologized for any aspect of disrespect i may have aroused in my earlier text all i want is comments and opinions not an argument with anyone. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 7:16:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Xavier Rush:
yes i remember they were hot back then that is when i actually liked Fila. are those Grant Hill's cuz i know Fila was popular for them. i dont know what happened now. |
Xavier Rush
(194)
| 7:30:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
CHRIS: YES! They are Grant Hill's, could've got them but I was too busy begging my mom to get the OG Jordan XI's at the time for school. I didn't get either so I got the Uptempo's, you know the ones that had AIR in BIG letters on the side. But It was all good. I miss those days.
That's when alot of companies had hot shoe. |
chris carraway
(125)
| 7:37:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Xavier Rush:
i know that is what i miss. i posted that a while back "i miss the days when i would go to the mall and there would be so many great designs that i didnt know what to get" it was like every company had a half-way decent shoe out. that is what help to inspire my quest to become a footwear designer. i wanted to be part of that feeling. Just the thought of someone going to the mall and saying whoa these shoes are hot i gotta get them and knowing that i designed them. that is the day that i live for. |
paul boucher
(143)
| 7:58:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
Dwayne - I do agree with what you said about having to tell a story. You do have to help those people who can’t see 3 dimensionally understand your concept. And I also agree that you need to leave some mystery to your design for people to discover. I went to the shoe store today and saw the Jordan Trainer T4G's just to see what they looked like all the way around and to see the different elements of the shoe in person. They advertised it on www.jumpman23.com with that sense of mystery in mind. They only showed you part of the shoe in the video and didn't show you 360 degrees of it or how it worked until now and it’s still not like seeing it in person. That is the first shoe in a while that I really just had to get out and see, and I have to say that they are really hot. They only had the black ones or I would have bought a pair. D, I want to say I appreciate you comments and input. I was too much into a rant to get out all the aspects of communication in my spiel. I do think that this is an integral part of the design process; I just thought that Chris wasn't doing a good job at it. I chose the wrong words earlier. You can justify thing as well as explain them. It’s just in how you justify them. Bragging in an arrogant manner is not a good way to justify them, but explaining the research behind your inspirations and technologies in an eloquent and non-confrontational way is. My girlfriend helped me get out what I was trying to say on that one. Got to love her. Once again D thanks a great deal for your response.
Paul
Dwayne – By the way, I have a few questions for you, if you wouldn't mind, email me at don99pablo@yahoo.com. I would really appreciate it.
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chris carraway
(125)
| 8:15:00 PM Saturday, July 15, 2006
paul boucher:
i feel you i know that some time i do not use the right lauguage for this board. (i guess i am just used to l |
